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RE: BLACK REDSTARTS MANCHESTER CITY CENTRE 2009


Male BX heard singing and briefly seen Roman Street, Edgehill Street at 3-30 today.

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Adrian Dancy wrote:

I am glad you got some good views. I was able to snuck up behind a wall and watch the female very close preening itself.






No luck with the Black Redstarts then Adrian? wink.gif

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I am glad you got some good views. I was able to snuck up behind a wall and watch the female very close preening itself.

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In just over 2 hours of city centre birding this morning

2 Peregrines.
Male and female Black Redstart seen together at one site (and possibly a second female at another site)

Plus Goldfinch, Greenfinch, Wren, Dunnock, Magpie, Blue Tit, Feral Pigeons, Blackbird, LBB Gull and a total of 7 birders.

Cheers, John



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Unfortunately I have just got in and have to leave very soon. If anyone is hoping to go on Sunday will they please send me a private message leaving telephone number so that I can contact you.

Your cooperation would be appreciated .


Many thanks

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It's a fair point Rob but other similar sites in the city centre previously haven't suffered any problems (as far as we're aware). The Dale Street birds used to attract a fair crowd too.

That said it depends on their exact breeding location which of course is not to be diclosed or discussed here or with other 'birders' we don't know. If such a location was quite low down then they could be disturbed by birders/photographers and also attract adverse publicity from the undesirables that groups of birders might draw.

We really just need to use our common sense. If the birds look agitated then we need to back away and give them space. I would ask that if anyone witnesses any 'unacceptable behaviour' or problem with these birds to let me know asap so I can liase with the right people if necessary.

I think at the end of the day they're more tolerant than we
might give them credit for. The city centre hustle and bustle doesn't bother them and it's louder and more hectic than some might appreciate

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Friday 26th of June 2009 04:19:14 PM

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I may be being over-cautious here - but might it be best if there weren't too many people on site at any one time?

The birds will be well used to passing pedestrians but larger groups hanging around for hours might stretch their tolerance?



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Heard Male singing and brief glimpse about 2-15. Nice to meet you Adrian, Hope to be there Sunday

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Both birds together this morning at 9:30 after a brief view of one disappearing earlier. Reasonable views and little disturbance in the area despite it being rush hour.

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Will anybody be going down to the area on Sunday, If they are what time please.

SAM RIDGWAY

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Both birds present and showing well 1920-2000hrs.

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Adrian, I could hear one in Pic gardens at 2:30 but did not see it.

SAM RIDGWAY

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Good news Adrian - go for it Rob biggrin.gif

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One bird present at 2.30 and both birds together at 3.30pm.

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Female present at 1.05pm

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One bird present and correct at 12.30pm.

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Another blank this morning between 7:20 and about 8:00, but interesting chat with someone connected to the buildings in the area about possible breeding in the area 2 years ago...

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Nothing in a 45 look late afternoon, unless you count the odd street-pecker, street-walker and unseasonal shower!

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I twice covered the area around the Minshull Street area and the China Town Car Park with no sightings.....yet.

Glad you got your bird Sid.

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RE: Black redstarts


First tram out of Alty this morning, am I mad, got me to the Back Piccadilly area for 06.30 and immediate views of a preening female Black Redstart. Watched her for a while then moved up to Port Street car park - nothing in the way of BXs there although I did see and hear a Wren in some scrubby bits opposite the car park entrance. Back to the original area and had a repeat show from the female. No sign of any undesirables - thanks to Dave T for the advice and Adrian for the directions biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

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brandon mulhern wrote:

2 brief glimpses of a single female this morning, 1 quick photo op, lots of song, 1 grey wagtail and 1 pied that we saw and heard, nice to meet Adrian and Roy and mr crutch man!! Shame we never saw the male, but not disapointed.






Yes good to meet you and Ian. Ian if you read this I hope your scan and any operation you have goes well. You are dedicated indeed!

I got several glimpses of female a few contact calls and the male singing stongly from a perch but I could not see it. Was not able to establish how many territories if more than one.

I will also check out Minshull St area during week.

Thanks

-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Sunday 21st of June 2009 05:18:21 PM

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2 brief glimpses of a single female this morning, 1 quick photo op, lots of song, 1 grey wagtail and 1 pied that we saw and heard, nice to meet Adrian and Roy and mr crutch man!! Shame we never saw the male, but not disapointed.

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Have heard singing Black Redstarts on 2 occasions (wed 7.40am & fri 8.05pm) within the last week in the Crown Court - Bloom St/Minshull St area of the city, but due to lack of time, wasn't able to make a positive sighting.

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Just done my late BBS round Southern Cemetry/West Didsbury

A gang of 8 'feral' youths obviously up to no good at 06:20. All in balaclavas and scarves creeping round alleys off Burton Rd. Luckily they didn't spot me

In the words of the Hill Street Blues sergeant - Lets be careful out there

-- Edited by Tony Coatsworth on Sunday 21st of June 2009 09:19:30 AM

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I would ask that anyone posting details of these or any other city centre Black Redstarts very carefully consider what they put in their post before hitting the submit button.

As a rare breeding bird, pubication of obviously used perching locations (which may in turn be near nest locations) and of course any actual nest site should be absolutely witheld from this forum. After discussing the issue with Adrian Dancy tonight, whether these particular birds are in fact breeding or not, we must be cautious about the information we put on here. Eggers are watching, don't you worry about that and any nest location may well be accessible for them should there be one.

Thanks and enjoy them if you're there!

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Unfortunately the scroats were in my view affecting the birds' behaviour. I informed the police and will visit the police station on Monday.



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Adrian Dancy wrote:

I will be visiting the City Centre very early Sunday morning. In order to try and establish BX territories it would assist if anyone available could help in doing a sweep of the area. I am thinking of about 8.30AM 9.00AM.





was planning to go about 9.30 myself tomorrow.

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Hi Sid

As long as you can run you will be ok.

Seriously though, there were some dodgy characters aboutcry.gif

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What about we Senior Citizens Dave? I was thinking of having a look around on Monday morning I'm usually in the city centre around 7 - 7.30. I know that's not too early but hopefully any undesirables will still be where they collapsed the night before.

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I had a wander around the area for over an hour this afternoon and eventually had a 30 second view of a male Black Redstart at 16.05pm.

The area is not a very nice safe place to go birding and I would not recommend any females or youngsters to visit on their own.

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Monday 22nd of June 2009 12:54:43 PM

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I will be visiting the City Centre very early Sunday morning. In order to try and establish BX territories it would assist if anyone available could help in doing a sweep of the area. I am thinking of about 8.30AM 9.00AM.

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I bet the grey wags from last year are the ones now nesting outside my office kitchen window in the Triangle. Watching for BXs with bated breath...

Paul

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Good work Adrian, Nigel, etc

I have been checking last year's nest site on a twice-daily basis with "not a dicky bird" to be seen, apart from the occasional pigeon. Just below the old nest they are replacing the tram tracks which means quite a bit of disturbance. The Grey Wags which nested in the same street last year are also absent.

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Some good info in there Adrian thank you, i think we will get the chance to have a look at them ourselves this weekend, i kind of find it ironic that the last time i saw them was in and around the old martial arts shop before it moved and the new nesting area is again within a stones throw of the new martial arts shop! I have searched high and low through all my old photos and cannot find any of the old area they nested in which is disapointing for me as i know i had some if not lots!

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I took the afternoon off work and spent 7 1/2 hours at the location...so here is my take on what was seen and I will be as brief as poss. Tim wilcox was with me for a good part of the afternoon.

On arrival at the site (China Lane) the first bird I saw and heard was a black redstart (BX). The BX was singing on the chimney mentioned in first post. About a couple of hours later I heard two BXs singing from different locations. I contacted Ian to inform him. When I was in mid conservation with Ian I witnessed two BXs having a fight just above the martial arts centre roof! (Back piccadilly) the birds took the fight to mid-air. This was more than a checking out drama but all out aggression with one bird seeing the other off out of territory.

Later in the afternoon Tim and I saw a male and female together content with each other's company and they flew together over Dale street.

Very late afternoon I saw two birds mating high on a roof in Dale Street.

I have to admit that at the time of writing I do not know if the female ever sings. If she does not sing then it seems obvious to me that we have two males in Manchester. Given the level of aggression I saw between the two birds fighting I am inclined towards thinking that we have two males even if the female sings.

Given the above I think it may well be worthwhile for birders to see if we have a male singing around last years site.

Some of the activity I saw may well have been the female looking for a nest site. Depending upon where the nest is made it may be that steps may have to be taken to protect the site from disturbance.

Given that I watched the area exensively over the weekend I am confident that the birds arrived yesterday though previous reports may well be valid. So thanks to everyone reporting. I must admit to wearing out a lot of shoe leather trying to locate these little rascals!

Please be aware that these are Sched. 1 birds.

These birds and the nest site will be very closely monitored by me.

Nice to meet Nigel who found the bird and of course others who turned up or showed interest.


Other sitings around the site were pied and grey wagtail, kestrel flying high above, peregrine high above , magpie and carrion crow too close for comfort.

I also witnessed human behaviour too discusting to report here, some folk have no shame.

Hope the birds breed successfully and everyone gets to see them in the course of time.

AD



-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Tuesday 16th of June 2009 09:19:09 PM

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great news.

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Fantastic news Nigel and well done. I did two extended visits this week-end and only got a pair of grey wagtails. What we need now are a male and female BX!



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Well done Nigel.

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Black Redstart found in Manchester City Centre this afternoon!

It was a case of Murphy's Law, since I was in some hurry to get home and could ill afford to spare any time.

As I was cycling along Dale Street, at 15:00, in the direction of Piccadilly Station, I heard the song very clearly. I turned around and targetted the source as the high buildings on China Lane.

After five minutes of searching China Lane and Back Piccadilly, I located the bird: walk twenty yards down China Lane, from Dale Street; look upwards to the top of the first building on the right; it was singing from the ornate chimney stack.

I also saw three Peregrines in the air together over Stevenson Square, about five minutes earlier.

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Did all areas twice over weekend but nothing to report...sadly. I'm sure we have them ...somewhere.

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I saw Black Redstarts here maybe 10 years ago, before they rennovated the buildings along Portland St where I suspected they nested (the old Kung-Fu shop - now Jumpin Jacks) on the corner of Dickinson and Portland St.

that "old kung fu shop" was owned by my wife and her uncle it was called chung yee sports, it was on 110 portland street then took over the old allied irish bank building on the corner in about 1990 and moved to newton street in '93 now renamed van dang martial arts! The redstarts used to nest above the car park round the back now not there. You used to be able to walk through from portland street through an archway but alas no more.

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Had a look around Canal Street, and the old Dale Street area, and then round the back to Shudehill and last year's site.

Nothing to report other than near constant Peregrine activity overhead...

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Unfortunately there's a lot of renovation work going on at our offices alongside the canal (nearer the Palace Theatre) so they probably won't venture this far.

I saw Black Redstarts here maybe 10 years ago, before they rennovated the buildings along Portland St where I suspected they nested (the old Kung-Fu shop - now Jumpin Jacks) on the corner of Dickinson and Portland St.

I'll keep my eyes and ears open the next few weeks

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I'll try a couple of early morning visits on my way to work.

I've seen them at the old NCP site near there before - and the canal side buildings that haven't been rejuventated seem ideal..

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The Court is the Minshull Street end. If you look to your left at the top of Canal Street you'll see a car park over the canal. I saw a female and 3 young there few years back with my partner and she is certain she saw a female black redstart there yesterday.

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The Crown Court is off Aytoun Street (which is basically accessed on foot off Piccadilly Grardens). The canal runs down from here through the Gay Village and out along Whitworth Street. There were reports (substantiated I think) of juvenile Black Reds just off Sackville Street very close to the canal (and only a few hundred yards from the courts) a couple of years ago. Of course a traditional and old favourite site was along the canal at the back of the NCP car park off Whitworth Street many years ago and this is also only down the canal from the courts. With so many buildings, so much noise and activity, so many nooks and crannies, it's no surprise they perhaps go mainly unnoticed.

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Friday 5th of June 2009 03:45:18 PM

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I will try too. I'm not familiar with the area (honest!) - where abouts are the courts?

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I will check this out. It would be fantastic if they are here.

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BLACK REDSTARTS IN MANCHESTER CITY CENTRE


Very strong possible sighting in Canal Street of a female Black Redstart today at 2 o'clock at the End by the courts. Flew off down the Canal.

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Monday 22nd of June 2009 12:55:08 PM

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