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RE: BLACK REDSTARTS IN MANCHESTER CITY CENTRE


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Since Phil's post from Sunday 19th April I've took a few tacho breaks on Ducie St. without success for a Black Redstart.
I was telling Steve Burke and Simon Gough this Sunday that I would keep trying this week.
Then yesterday approx 3pm a Black Redstart was singing near Ducie House. I tried to locate the bird but it just didn't want to be found.

There were other birds seen and heard singing in same area including...
Dunnock
Goldfinch
Blackbird
and Blue Tit

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Originally posted today by Fred Ford:

Black redstart singing and seen in trees opposite side to Peveril of the Peak, Chepstow St., yesterday 11am.

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Surprised to hear a Black Redstart singing on a building opposite Ducie House, Ducie Street. It flew across to Ducie House and another none-singing bird flew the opposite way. Didn't have any binoculars, so not sure if they were a pair or 2 males.

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Black Redstart seen late morning and early afternoon yesterday (Friday). No singing. None seen or heard at other previous locations frequented by this species.

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Heard presumably this bird around 15 minutes before this. Also, f. Peregrine on the tower with kill before heading back up the river. thankfully looked like a pigeon.

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Male Black Redstart seen on Manchester Cathedral briefly at 4.30pm today; on the east side of tower.

Info thanks to Tony O'Mahony

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Black Redstart (male in breeding plumage) seen today on Manchester Cathedral. Only distant views since it spent all the time on the tower roof. It sang frequently from early morning to noon but did not sing a full song. It made a few feeble noises in the afternoon and was last seen at about 5.00pm.


-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Wednesday 14th of May 2014 08:41:19 PM

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Whilst in the gym this morning (which over looks Mosley street) a Black Redstart was seen on ledges of the RSA building on west Mosley street and then flew towards the town hall.

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Male Black Redstart just seen briefly from my office window (Town Hall).

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Despite being a Schedule 1 breeding species I am currently happy for this individual's movements to be published on this public forum. Observers should be reminded though that posting in here does not constitute an official record and they still need submitting to me personally; even if we find half a dozen singing in the city, if they're not officially recorded then they can't and won't be used officially for the National Rare breeding Birds Report, County Bird Report and any future conservation/development issues.



More importantly though, they are only to be published on this forum in certain instances for which this current wandering male meets the criteria. The moment anyone observes anything even slightly tantamount to true breeding evidence then it should be witheld immediately and passes on to me privately ASAP, bearing in mind that secrecy in such instances is paramount.



If in doubt please check with me first before posting.

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Saturday 6th of July 2013 09:55:55 AM

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I have now down loaded my images and sent them to Ian, so the age of the bird I saw will be his call.

I would , if I may, make one request. It will not be the first time that it has been speculated how many Black Redstarts we may have in the city centre at any one time. A few years ago we had a breeding pair and I watched a second year (+) male bird see off a first summer male( the latter having similar plumage detail to a female Black Redstart). In order that we can best nail what birds we have it would be very helpful if possible for a description and an exact time and location of sighting to be cited and for it to be called in as quickly as possible. As some of you know I am a bit nuts with this species. It is one of the rarest breeding birds in England and is a Schedule 1 species and my only interest is that our birds get monitored so that they can be afforded maximum protection especially if they are nesting. Of course it will not always be possible to offer a description if the bird is only heard and not seen (or partially seen ) but giving a time and location may help.

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I heard one again while at work - first in the vicinity of John Dalton Street (and I also felt the song was missing a couple of notes) then briefly, same as yesterday, on the roof of 123 Deansgate (my building) - this was just before 4pm. My department is on the second floor and the windows look out onto a skylight with another floor above, then the roof... I'll see the little beggar one of these days!

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I got into the city at the break of dawn and did all the black redstart haunts then did them again. I finally got to the Cathedral having got myself a well earned cappuchino and enjoyed the noise from the nearby water pump (not) and the twittering of Goldfinches (yes) then at 9.45am heard the sound of a Black Redstart coming from on high (pun intended). I could not see it and its song was intermittent and seemingly lacking one or two notes but I was still 100% sure it was made by a Black Redstart (I sent Ian a text to report find). I suggested to the guy running the pump that he turn it off for a moment and he said it will be turned off permanently in a couple of minutes. True to his word the pump was turned off...but alas silence from on high. I checked out the north side of the cathedral but the machines were very noisy...so I went to the back of the cathedral and eventually heard the stunted song briefly again. My bins finally rewarded me with a nano second glimpse as the elusive bird dropped from one of the highest cathedral uprights so I could not make out detail. Things went a bit quiet for a while then I heard the bird again then later on the Corn Exchange roof and so I went round the building several times and eventualy found the bird singing at a high level. From the angle I was at I could only get the bird's head and a fraction of the upper breast through bins but what I got looked distinctly pale suggesting that the bird was a first Summer male. It flew over to theArndale Centre at 11.25am I took photos and checked histogram for exposure which was spot on...then sent Ian another text indicating that it looked like a first Summer male. I later heard the bird around Harvey Nichols but since I had other things on my agenda I gave up looking. I later met Steve who went to check King Street for the bird later in the afternoon. I have not downloaded my pics yet and when I do I will let Ian decide on the year of the bird (if that be possible) I await being torn down a a peg or two<img src="www.sparkimg.com/emoticons/no.gif" border="0" alt="no" title="no" />

Forgive spelling and other errors I'm bushed it has been a long day and spellcheck does not work.

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Male Black Redstart seen on the Corn Exchange building at around 11am and then on the Harvey Nicks building around 12pm, I then spotted another singing male, could be the same one though on Kings Street where it was photographed by myself and Steve, this was around 3ish

I have put a few pics up on my blog if anyone wants to check it out austinmorley.blogspot.co.uk/ Cheers

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First summer male seen and heard on the Cathedral and later on the Arndale early afternoon today.

Info thanks to Adrian Dancy

Typically for young males (the bird, not Adrian!), it is covering a fair old area in its quest to attract a mate (presuming it hasn't already!); something similarly aged birds have done previously at other city centre locations.

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Definite at least a single Black Redtstart this morning singing in Exchange Square (Market Street end) - it was close, but not seen, and either on the French Connection building or Royal Exchange Theatre. UK-first for this species on my end.

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A Black Redstart was singing from the roof of 123 Deansgate, mid-morning. Heard it, but couldn't see it.

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black redstart was heard and then briefly seen on the corner exchange it then flew off over next and the arndale at around 3pm





Nice to know that I wasn't confused or mistaken with my hearing last week smile

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I had a brilliant day on the Manchester Peregrine Project today as we were joined by a male singing Black Red. It turned up on top of the Corn Exchange building around 12ish and then I spotted two over the top of Harvey Nicks half an hour later, when I then followed of on to the Royal Exchange Theater building were I got a very poor record pic.

On my lunch I looked around for it again and walked over to the Town Hall and Victoria Station but I didn't hear or see one again.

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black redstart was heard and then briefly seen on the corner exchange it then flew off over next and the arndale at around 3pm smile it was then seen again briefly by the rspb staff at 3.40pm. no signs again up till 6pm.

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no signs of any black redstarts around canal street area and other known sites between 8.10- 10.30am. just like Adrian mentions there was a very vocal grey wagtail in the canal street area on several occasions.

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I have visited all the known Black Redstart sites several times over the past 10 days with nothing seen or heard. I have paid particular attention to the location indicated on the 'Other city birds' thread. All I have been able to get is a very vocal Grey Wagtail which sometimes sings from the roof tops if it is not chasing insects down the Canal or flying off to Whitworth Street where it has another song post. However the habitat in the area is absolutely ideal at the moment with the construction site between Canal Street and Whitworth Street offering an ideal feeding ground.

For those that see Black Redstart ...any chance of description?

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It seems Canal St is the place for the Black Redstarts. Seen and heard whilst walking down to the start of the Bupa Mcr 10k today. Heard on the way back on the Law Courts Building.

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took shelter here between 12.20 and 12.40 p.m. but only succeeded in adding a singing Goldfinch to the site list

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Mark Rigby wrote:

Another fruitless search for the Black Redstart with Miss Foulkes.
It was a bit unnerving when a drunk hobo started waving at us, so we beat a hasty retreat. Sorry Adrian-nice to meet you again.





Good to see you too....I do like to blend in

I will be in Manchester soon for another search.

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Hello cycling home from work this evening along chapel street/ black friars area in town a black redstart was singing Whilst at the lights.heard only as I forgot I had cars behind me and had to continue. Will keep a look out tomoro I had one last year in that vicinity, and behind Piccadilly station area in the past similar area to the posts below! Cracking bird I'll go earlier and try and locate!

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I've also drawn a blank over the last two days, both in the mornings and at lunchtimes. No sign in the Dale Street area nor by the town hall where it frequented last year.
The search goes on.

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Another fruitless search for the Black Redstart with Miss Foulkes. It was a bit unnerving when a drunk hobo started waving at us, so we beat a hasty retreat. Sorry Adrian-nice to meet you again.

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I had a look in Manchester last Friday and got nothing. Went to Derbyshire Saturday. Spent several hours at the location yesterday. Arrived on location at about 12.15pm today and on all occasions got zilch. I asked a local car park attendant to keep an eye out. I hope my luck changes soon. The wren was lively and there are several recently fledged magpies.

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While on an errand did a quick circuit of the usual haunts, ending up at Dale Street. A brief bust of song, but no sign of the bird, which may have been disturbed by work on a nearby building, or maybe a meandering moggie. The local Wren and Blackbird certainly took exception to it!

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Black Redstart heard only in the Dale Street/Little Lever Street area at 11.15am today.

Info thanks to Mike Chorley

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That'll mean more detours on the way to work then...

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Great news. Well spotted!

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Male Black Redstart singing on scaffolded building on Dale Street today at 3-15. Heard later at 3-30 on Port Street and then seen flying from Port Street towards Tariff Street.

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Another Black Redstart in the city centre today. Just been watching what looked to be an adult male on the Town Hall spire. A very black coloured bird, with a flashing orange/red tail. It was fly catching around the base of the main spire, in full view from my office window with binoculars at 09:30 this morning. It then flew to the other side (Albert Sq side) out of view for a few minutes, but then reappeared on the top of the spire, perched on the spikey golden ball at the top of the spire. I managed to put a few of the lads in the office on it, who showed a little more interest than the other week!?!

Anyway, this bird did not look at all like the one I saw the other week, as it was much darker on the chest and had no signs of downly or light coloured plumage on the underside. It was also black on the chest and wings, rather than the greyer/browner colour of the bird I saw the other week.

After watching it on and off for about 10 minutes it flew off towards Princess Street in a northerly direction, so keep your eyes on the sky if you are in the city centre today.

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Excellent news lets hope the birds make use of it. I think Dancy will probably book a room there for the entire summer!!

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of interest (need to cut and paste into browser);

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news/archive/10231-bird-conservation-project-for-piccadilly-hotel.html


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steven burke wrote:

Adrian Dancy wrote:

I have not seen or heard any black redstarts recently despite there having been a pair seen on the town hall roof in June that I hoped would breed. In an effort to attract the birds next year I requested Dave Barlow from Bio-Diversity to put up some suitable plants and nest boxes (with agreement from the building manager) in the hope that the birds may be encouraged to stay next year . Dave and the Building Manager agreed to do what we could. Today myself and two MCC employees put up the plants and next week we will put up some nest boxes. Of course it may not work...but unless you try....?

Meanwhile I found this piece of excellent footage on YouTube. I have no sound on my computer...probably a good thing. I think the footage is brilliant... worth a look.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0wJcjF6rv0&feature=related

-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Friday 15th of July 2011 11:08:14 PM

-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Friday 15th of July 2011 11:09:03 PM






adrian,the footage is brilliant & the sounds not that bad
great job with the plants & nest boxes,fingers crossed for next year now.



Superb find Sean.

I think I will be in the city as soon as I can get my skates on.

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Excellent.

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Amazingly, I have just been watching a first winter Black Redstart on the top of the derelict building opposite Peter House on St Peter's Square. I last saw one on this building 3-4 yeas ago, so I'm made up that whilst having a brew and watching out of the window for a moment I have seen one again. Glad I have a trusty old pair of binoculars on my desk .

My attention was brought to the roof when I saw a pied wagtail land on top of the building, so thinking it was the start of the winter roosting around the city centre squares I picked up my binoculars to see if there were any more about. To my surprise the black redstart was on the ledge on the top of the building, where it scampered about looking for food, flycatching up and down in the air or just perching on the ledges and other structures on the roof top.

After making a few notes of its plumage, a slight lighter chin, overall grey in appearance on its chest, but on the weak side of grey, with a darker grey back and an orange tail that was a little tatty I enjoyed observing it a little longer before it flew towards the buildings beyond my view, towards the direction of Chinatown.

Obviously, with this being a late record for a young bird it may be a migrant, but to be perfectly honest it could be a young bird from a hidden nest somewhere in the city centre that eluded Adrian and others this summer .

If you're in the area, keep your eyes peeled on the roof tops.

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Adrian Dancy wrote:

I have not seen or heard any black redstarts recently despite there having been a pair seen on the town hall roof in June that I hoped would breed. In an effort to attract the birds next year I requested Dave Barlow from Bio-Diversity to put up some suitable plants and nest boxes (with agreement from the building manager) in the hope that the birds may be encouraged to stay next year . Dave and the Building Manager agreed to do what we could. Today myself and two MCC employees put up the plants and next week we will put up some nest boxes. Of course it may not work...but unless you try....?

Meanwhile I found this piece of excellent footage on YouTube. I have no sound on my computer...probably a good thing. I think the footage is brilliant... worth a look.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0wJcjF6rv0&feature=related

-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Friday 15th of July 2011 11:08:14 PM

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adrian,the footage is brilliant & the sounds not that bad
great job with the plants & nest boxes,fingers crossed for next year now.

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Well, the colloquial German name is House Redtail

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Fantastic video, nice one

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I have not seen or heard any black redstarts recently despite there having been a pair seen on the town hall roof in June that I hoped would breed. In an effort to attract the birds next year I requested Dave Barlow from Bio-Diversity to put up some suitable plants and nest boxes (with agreement from the building manager) in the hope that the birds may be encouraged to stay next year . Dave and the Building Manager agreed to do what we could. Today myself and two MCC employees put up the plants and next week we will put up some nest boxes. Of course it may not work...but unless you try....?

Meanwhile I found this piece of excellent footage on YouTube. I have no sound on my computer...probably a good thing. I think the footage is brilliant... worth a look.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0wJcjF6rv0&feature=related

-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Friday 15th of July 2011 11:08:14 PM

-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Friday 15th of July 2011 11:09:03 PM

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Late post for yesterday morning c.9.30am One sining on the roof of Manchester Art Gallery. A work tick!

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No sign around the town hall area that i could see from 12.55-1.15 and again from 3.55-4.00

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An unfamiliar trill above our office car park around 5pm - between Dickinson St and Bloom St

I should say - I didn't see the bird but it was definitely an unfamiliar song - usually there's just a few Blue Tits around there.

I have seen Black Redstarts in the area in the 90's and it's not that far from the Town Hall.

-- Edited by Tony Coatsworth on Friday 10th of June 2011 08:21:05 PM

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Black Redstart singing from corner of Princess Street and Mosely Street at 7.50. Then flew up Mosely Street past the Art Museum.

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Black Redstart above the main entrance to the town hall at 09:55 this morning.

Info thanks to Dave Broome

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