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Well found Tony, I was searching from 9.00-9.45 in this area and found nothing but a Mistle Thrush nest behind Tib Streetcry.gif.

Cheers Ian

-- Edited by Ian Campbell on Sunday 16th of May 2010 04:21:08 PM

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Black redstart again singing from rooftops around Oldham Street Manchester City Centre 9.30 to 9.40am but rather mobile.

Info thanks to Tony O'Mahony

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Male Black Redstart singing from chimney pots this morning off Faraday Street (between Faraday and Oldham Street.

Info thanks to Adrian Dancy

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RE: BLACK REDSTARTS MANCHESTER CITY CENTRE 2009


Male BX seen feeding on Buddleia on top of building in Union Street this afternoon

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I saw the female briefly on Store Street on Saturday opposite the bottom of Jutland Street. Sorry not posted before have been offline.

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The Ashton - under- Lyne BXs are in a much more pleasant environmentbiggrin.gif

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Adrian Dancy wrote:


on an optimistic note there is a lot of very good BX territory






Aye, the entire city centre! Including many areas birders don't venture to

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Henry Cook wrote:

No sign in all of the locations mentioned in brief scans this morning. More time needed probably but has anyone else seem them recently?






Sadly no birds have been seen since Tom Willis saw a bird. It is not known if there had been any attempt to breed again and if so where? I imagine the digging up of China Lane by UU may have created so much noise that breeding may have been put off. However we just don't know and we just have to hope that the birds have escaped our attention and some chicks pop up somewhere....on an optimistic note there is a lot of very good BX territory and they may just turn up.



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No sign in all of the locations mentioned in brief scans this morning. More time needed probably but has anyone else seem them recently?

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was in luck again last night (Monday) - within a minute of looking, one appeared at the top of renovated building, before dropping down into the building site (but remaining visible). Had my binoculars with me again and managed to get my best views yet so very pleased. There was no singing, and from Adrian's description I would guess that it was the female but am far from certain!

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I did not pick the best day to try to see the Black Redstarts
and sure enough no sight nor sound of them in a 2hr rain watch
Birds seen
3 Pied Wagtails
5 Canada Geese
1 Goldfinch
Feral Pigeons
And a Pop Video was being shot on the Tram Lines s/o Piccadilly Station by Ian Brown so i wasnt the only one to pick a bad day

Cheers Jimmy

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Male and female seen again tonight about 400 yards away from the China Lane site. I was unable to track down where they went. However it was nice to see a black red on a fence and a peregrine circling over Manchester in the same view.

It is clearly obvious that we have no chicks as yet and for what ever reason the nest site that was taken up in mid June has proved a failure. Of course I am gutted. It would seem that if there had in fact been two pairs then the other pair would have had chicks ( on the balance of probabilities). It would seem that these birds cover a much wider territory than I expected for feeding and I have a strong suspicion as to where they might be feeding when not on roofs . Each day I see the two birds brings a sigh of relief and the hope of successful breeding otherwise I imagine they would disappear.

On a slightly different note, I have met quite a few local and out of town birders, some who have come a very long way. It has been a pleasure to have met all of you. When ever I have seen a lost soul looking like birder I have usualy managed to get them to see the birds and for a few folk these birds have been lifers. It's always nice to see the look on the face of someone who has just seen a lifer...so really, it has been my pleasure.

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Yes the local wagtails are feeding young in the area Tom I left before you arrived and managed to see the male black redstart .

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Thought I'd struck gold this evening - passed the China Lane area at 6.30pm and immediately heard some noise, looked up to see a bird feeding a juvenile high on a fire escape. My long-distance identification skills aren't particularly strong I'm afraid, but this was most likely a wagtail I think (certainly plenty of tail wagging). The adult flew back and forth a couple of times, leaving the youngster at the top of the fire escape.

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Cheers Adrian, great to see you too.

My wife and I were passing just now (9pm) and I suggested a detour through the area, more through hope than expectation. My eagle-eyed wife spotted one immediately! Fortunately, I'd brought my binoculars out and we were both able to get a decent view before it (I think probably the male but not really sure at all) flew out of sight. It wasn't calling at all, but had a bit of a preen on a window ledge allowing us a decent view.

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Thanks and you are welcome Mike.

Male and female present again today.

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HI Adrian,

Firstly, nice to meet you today with my companions, the two Johns (Rayner and Tromans) and thanks for your help in relocating the Black Redstarts, (a new Gr.Man. sp. for me).
I last worked in the city centre 1988 to 1990 and never was aware of the presence of Black Reds then, following which, I moved to the N.E. - so great to belatedly catch up with them!

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Male bird singing 400 yds from China Lane site and tracked him down to China Lane.

Nice to have met you again Tom and pleased you got your lifer after a few fruitless visits.

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At 6.25pm male bird singing in China Lane. 10-15 mins later joined up with female (?) and both birds fed in close proximity with each other on buildings behind the hoardings giving distant views till about 7.00pm.

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Great to see that they're still about. Adrian - we had a chat during the Wimbledon men's final recently and I was enquiring about black redstarts. Many thanks for taking the time to talk. I live in the northern quarter and get the train from Piccadilly every morning and since we met I've been trying to keep my ears and eyes open in the China Lane area. On the way home I've been stopping around there for a few minutes at a time (approx. 6.30pm) but not seen or heard any so far. Will keep trying!

Just heard (and then seen) peregrines from our balcony. Superb!

T

-- Edited by tomw on Monday 13th of July 2009 08:20:48 PM

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Male bird seen this evening. He sang one third of a song, repeated twice then went off to feed around the building being renovated on China Lane...out of view it then began to rain.

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Black redstarts are still in the area.

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Adrian Dancy wrote:


If you go to 'Species Study' on this website you will find an excellent article by Ian McKerchar called 'Back to black redstarts in Greater Manchester'.

Also google up '331 black redstart'


Yes indeed Adrian an excellent article by Ian that I have already seen - some nice pics as well.

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sid ashton wrote:

If I recall correctly the Balloon Street/Federation Street male last year was very pale and caused some confusion - could this year's bird be that returning male making the male and female difficult to distinguish. I am reasonably confident that the bird I saw a couple of weeks ago was a female but....confuse.gif






If you go to 'Species Study' on this website you will find an excellent article by Ian McKerchar called 'Back to black redstarts in Greater Manchester'.

Also google up '331 black redstart'

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If I recall correctly the Balloon Street/Federation Street male last year was very pale and caused some confusion - could this year's bird be that returning male making the male and female difficult to distinguish. I am reasonably confident that the bird I saw a couple of weeks ago was a female but....confuse.gif

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After waiting for forty minutes we finally got a glimpse on saturday morning just before I had to go for my train. I felt rewarded for standing on a noxious corner getting odd looks from the saturday morning towners.
Thanks to Adrian and Rob for the info and to John Taylor who was there and made the spot.

I must say I left under the impression that we'd seen a male so was surprised to see your comment Adrian. Did you get any more views of her? You were concerned they may have deserted.

I'll definitely go back to see if I can get a better look at some point.

Cheers

G






Gervase , nice to have met you. I was not able to get a fix on the sex when we saw the male. However my posting refers to sitings over the weekend after making frequent visits.

Steve....I agree very difficult to tell apart, especially with only fleeting glimpses and I do not fool myself into being an expert.

I have seen no activity over the last few days at the other site.

-- Edited by Adrian Dancy on Monday 6th of July 2009 07:44:01 PM

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After waiting for forty minutes we finally got a glimpse on saturday morning just before I had to go for my train. I felt rewarded for standing on a noxious corner getting odd looks from the saturday morning towners.
Thanks to Adrian and Rob for the info and to John Taylor who was there and made the spot.

I must say I left under the impression that we'd seen a male so was surprised to see your comment Adrian. Did you get any more views of her? You were concerned they may have deserted.

I'll definitely go back to see if I can get a better look at some point.

Cheers

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Female seen over week end.







Are you sure it was a female Adrian? I seem to be having problems identifying gender worry.gifworry.gif

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Female seen over week end.

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Gervase Cooke wrote:

It's a strange name I know. Old English I'm told. Means spear carrier or something. Modern form is Jarvis.



Forgot to add, If you've got any of your spears handy feel free to use 'em on any egg-thieving scumbags that might be lurking on the forum, or in the City Centrefurious.gif



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So Gervase, you've been called a woman (not that that's in anyway an insult, of course, all females reading this, after all you lot do comprise about 50 per cent of the population) and you've had to undergo trial as a possible egger........welcome to the Manchester Birding Forumbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
If this is the way things are going then being recruited by MI5 would be more straightforwardsmile.gif

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Gervase Cooke wrote:

Ahem. Thanks for the back up Steve. However had we actually met or spoken you would have been able to tell from my voice and plumage that I am in fact a male of the species.
G





lol glad its not just me that gets gender wrong on here! (see man peregrines page!)

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Ahem. Thanks for the back up Steve. However had we actually met or spoken you would have been able to tell from my voice and plumage that I am in fact a male of the species.
It's a strange name I know. Old English I'm told. Means spear carrier or something. Modern form is Jarvis.
Now I've cleared that up how does this private messaging work?
Anyone likely to be in town between 9 and 10 tmrw morning?
Cheers
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Yes, I know of Gervase through her contributions to Bird Atlas. I'm sure she is a genuine (non-egging) birder.

As I've still to catch up with any of the Manchester Black Redstarts this year furious.gif perhaps someone else can help out via private messaging.

Cheers, Steve

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Hi Gervase,

You are of course right to think us cautious and I'm sure you understand why. Any reply on the subject should be done by a private message to you but I'm sure our band of birders will be happy to help you out. Especially as you've gone to the lengths of providing us with 'evidence' of who you are


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Hello again.
Oh dear. Have just read the rest of the posts in this thread and am guessing you will all suspect me of being an "Egger". Please be reassured, i am pure birder. I think steve Suttill allocated my BBS tetrad on Yew tree lane last year and I've been submitting roving records for the mersey valley and other parts of uk. Not only that but I am vegan wink.gif
Would love to see the BX. Only time I can recall doing so in adult life was a few years back on a Djing trip to Slovenia.
Thanks
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Hi
I'm new to manchester birding. Live really close to chorlton ees and have been enjoying the warblers plenty. I'm going to catch a train tomorrow morning and would love to see the B. Redstarts. Could you tell me where to look on chona lane and where the other presumed territory is please.
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Slightly off topic but the Roman St feeders are well used by Sparrows but in several management training sessions I've had in rented rooms in the Buddhist Centre from where I could see them directly through the window I never saw them used by Blue tits

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Yesterday and today I did a tour around the Buddhist Centre I dropped round to see Steve yesterday but unfortunately it was his day off. However I recall making a sighting last year only a stone's throw away from the B Centre. Sadly no BXs . I was pleased to see the hanging feeders in Roman Street no wonder there's a good blue tit population around there.

I visited the China Lane site this evening and clocked both birds. I immediately went over to the other site and got a bird which sat on a low roof. It appeared to have some signs of pale wing patches. It disappeared for a while then I caught sight of it 20 mins later where it must have been feeding along the canal. It flew past me very close hugging the ground till it got to buildings and went where I expected it to go.

Still no have no hard evidence of two territories but the probability is good for two.

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1 flew out this afternoon, shortly after 2 flew in shortly before a heavy shower.

The odd strange character hanging around - and that was just Adrian!wink.gif






I'll take that as a compliment Rob...it means I'm blending in smile.gif

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1 flew out this afternoon, shortly after 2 flew in shortly before a heavy shower.

The odd strange character hanging around - and that was just Adrian!wink.gif

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Two sightings at 15 minute intervals this morning between 7:05 and 7:45.

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Very interesting, Tim. A male was seen on the roof of the Buddhist Centre about four years ago. Will keep my eyes open as it's only a two-minute walk from where I work.

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Nothing happening at Roman Street this lunchtime then it started raining. Small bird seen flying to the roof of the Buddhist Centre but it may just ahve been a sparrow.

-- Edited by Tim Wilcox on Tuesday 30th of June 2009 03:41:45 PM

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Should have pointed out that it was my significant other who made the spot

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Male BX heard singing and briefly seen Roman Street, Edgehill Street at 3-30 today.

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Adrian Dancy wrote:

I am glad you got some good views. I was able to snuck up behind a wall and watch the female very close preening itself.






No luck with the Black Redstarts then Adrian? wink.gif

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I am glad you got some good views. I was able to snuck up behind a wall and watch the female very close preening itself.

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In just over 2 hours of city centre birding this morning

2 Peregrines.
Male and female Black Redstart seen together at one site (and possibly a second female at another site)

Plus Goldfinch, Greenfinch, Wren, Dunnock, Magpie, Blue Tit, Feral Pigeons, Blackbird, LBB Gull and a total of 7 birders.

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Unfortunately I have just got in and have to leave very soon. If anyone is hoping to go on Sunday will they please send me a private message leaving telephone number so that I can contact you.

Your cooperation would be appreciated .


Many thanks

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