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RE: THE GREATER MANCHESTER 200 CLUB.


The tournament is perfect as it is... Equal to all!
As for the 200 club... The reason I don't twitch. wink.gif

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Close!!!!! You can't close the 200 club- I'm on 199!!! Got my suit ready for the graduation ball!
As for the tournament, speaking as the one supporting the rest of you with 1 point,
I have no problem with the format. I dream of the big find! In fact, had I got out of work an hour earler all them godwit points would have bee mine! I was there that early evening looking for the barn owl at dover Basin and would have stolen the points!
So its all possible- throw your hat in the ring and winner takes all!
Steve (Genioglossus extending laterally towards the buccinatorbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif)

-- Edited by Steve Collins on Saturday 7th of August 2010 01:47:08 PM

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Steve, you are always welcome to post on this thread, as for been a member, I don't see your list, but I am sure its healthy, The club! been a complete figment of its members imagination, hold Mr McKerchar is the highest regard, he is an honorary member and has his own suite.

The Gm Website and it's boss are very, very safe, I hope he will remain in place for a long time, the idea regarding the tournament was really to generate a proper discussion on how to tweak it, adapt it, maybe change a couple of birds or add a few.

Ian had maintained a perfect tournament for us all, it was just a thought that perhaps we could see a new format for next year, what do you think yes or no.

Also reading the 200 club thread, it has caused offence in the past, which was not meant, always one for a laugh to lighten up things, but I am very happy if people would prefer this thread and the 200 club idea to be closed?

It was and is always meant to be a tongue in cheek, mickey take, and should be thought of as just that.

Now off to the library, with a single maltbiggrin.gif

Keep birding



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Not being a member of this illustrious group, I don't normally read this thread and am not sure whether I'm allowed to post on here. biggrin.gif However, another birder, whose identity I shall protect, alerted me to a discussion regarding the Manchester Tournament.

Maybe I've missed something, but I'm mystified as to why the GM 200 Club thread is being used for a discussion about the Tournament. Unless of course the Club are secretly planning a coup d'etat to overthrow the current Tournament boss and rule setter and intend to restrict entrants to the 2011 competition to 200 Club members.

If they do achieve this there would surely be a massive fall in the number of personally found birds and hence overall points total accrued.

Yours (langue dans la joue)wink.gif


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Could the handi cap system include people who cant drive? any bird worth points found by someone who cant drive and cover as many sites of those who can drive be doubled?! - Id win easy! haha

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I think Black-tailed Godwit should be worth more than just one point each, they're rare as rocking horse poop these days! wink.gif

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Points are and indeed will be tweaked at the start of each new Tournament Riggers, as the status of species changes. I'm open to suggestions but sent privately please

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Perhaps all that is required is a slight tweaking of the points for some species!
Also I like the handicap system, with birds seen in Wigan and Bolton being worth half points and birds seen at Castleshaw worth 10x. Having said that, even with the handicap system in place, I would be nowhere near the top!wink.gif

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No touchy subject at all Paul, nothing is and I love to discuss it, though perhaps some more personal discussion would be better as all these posts just makes it seem that I'm not prepared to listen (which is certainly not the case) and more than the pig-headed ogre which it seems I'm Increasingly thought of. The whole Tournament was carefully considered and planned but I'm certainly not saying it's perfect and other ideas might well enhance it. If I haven't got a perfectly reasonable explanation why it wouldn't work or enhance it any further then how could I refuse it?

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Ian, fair point was not trying to penalise anyone, and in fact was hoping a slight change would benefit the tournament in general. Alas not so, apparently.

Intense coverage it is then for next yearbiggrin.gif

And as you say Audenshaw lacks coverage,so roll on that big flock of points, that will be there this winter.

Seems to be a touchy subject so no more from me.

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Paul (Heaton ), penalising birders who are more active than others in the Tournament will surely decrease effort all round? Not just for the Tournament itself but more importantly for the benifit of the county's avifauna itself. The Tournament was and certainly does for some (info via pers comms), intend to increase county birding if anything, prove a point of what we can achieve in our little landlocked county.

At the end of the day, no one is in a better position than anyone else. We all have the same opportunities, chances to find those birds. Pennington Flash has very few birders, Audenshaw Reservoirs lacks coverage, Horwich Moors has all but a tiny handful of observers. Most county sites receive a relatively small amount of coverage, birds must quietly pass through unnoticed all the time, Elton last year proved what intensive coverage is capable of.

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Will be away for your half century Paul, will send some groats over for a beer on me.

See you soon.

Keep Birding

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Paul (Wilson ), that is the whole point of the Tournament. Some birders might not be able to compete with others who dedicate more time and effort yet they could change their fortunes in one find. To me, if someone comes from nowhere to win it in the last month with a big find I'll be absolutely chuffed to bits for them



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Its your website Ian, your labour of love, I will leave it for you to carry on the good work.

As said fantastic competition, just trying to add a degree of hope for others.

Carry on and good luck, looking forward to the autumn and anything it may bring.


Keep Birding

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I think there should be a system where you get less points per bird when you find a large flock. For example:

For a Common Scoter (currently worth 2 points)

1-5 birds 2 points each,
6-10 birds 15 points,
11-20 birds 20 points,
21-50 birds 25 points,
50-100 birds 30 points,
101+ birds 35 points.

This would help to stop a single find of birds having such a big influence on the total. As it stands, one find of a large flock can be enough to win the tournament. I could go all the way to October without going birding at all, then find a flock of 200 Bewick's and have 4000 points! With the scoring system as above I'd only get 350 points (still a good haul).

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Cannot stay in it current format in the interests of fairness and fun? Erm, who decided this Paul, you? What is not fair? Is there only fun in winning it? How would a handicap system work? Do all birders not have the ability to go out birding whenever their spare time allows? Do you have have any idea how unfair, complicated and time consuming a handicap system is? Why should just the 'top birders' be handicapped and who or what are 'top birders' anyway? Who decides who is a 'top birder'?

I know one thing and one thing only, the Manchester Tournament will go ahead next year and the only reason it will not is due to a lack of interest. Should that be the case then I can assure you that the county will be less productive because of it. Trophies and 'top birders' are not what the Tournament was ever about, which was each individual enjoying their own finds and seeing how well they could do, not necessarily comparing themselves to others. Remember, the fun is in finding the birds, not in the rankings board. Anyone can still find a big flock of Bewick's Swans this winter and what then?












-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Thursday 5th of August 2010 08:27:40 AM

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Far from it Mr Thrope, in fact your dedication to local patch work, and time spent in the field, just goes to show how the tournament can benefit any birder. As Ian always says the next point are just around the corner.

Yet are we in for a three strikes and were out tournament, Ian,s ability to find points is becoming amazing, his steady plod around the county day in and day is truly monumental, he has within himself the power to get his name on the trophy for a third time.

This year tournament has been one of the best so far, 3 top birders battling it out in the field, Warfy,s list is impressive yet Ian matches him point for point, Rob your Godwit flock just goes to show how the competition can be turned on its head.

So can Ian pull off a third win, will Mr Thrope stay ahead, his name is penciled in and I am sure there are some more points out there for him, Will the legend that is Warfy pull out a flock of snow bunting this winter at Cutacre?

As for us lesser mortal we can only look on at the premiership birders.

So as for next year tournament, It cannot stay in the same format, in interest of fairness and fun. Perhaps a handicap scheme where points for the top birders are worth less.


Personally I would like to see a change in the species list, giving the top birders a real challenge.

As with all things change is good.biggrin.gif

It,s a great competition, and fantastic to watch, but soul destroying to lesser mortals who don't stand a chance.

keep birding

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Paul Heaton wrote:

The talk in the club last night was all about the Manchester Birding Tournament, in what may be its last year, its turning into a real cracker.

Two of Manchester's top birders are locked in battle in a fantastic competition,dedication, top field skills, and mega finds, Shore lark, Egrets, Marsh Harriers, these are birds any GM birder would be glad to see at any time, but Ian McKerchar and the Legend that Is Warfy, are finding them on their own patches.

You have to take you cap off to these two, and with Warfys luck perhaps the Sandgrouse from Finland will be his next find, as for Ian what will he come up with next, perhaps another Sabine's gull in a gull roost or will he pull some more caspian's out of his ever watchful eye.

Its making me dizzy keeping track of these two, as for last nights incident, scoping each other from there patches, DEDICATION these two have got buckets full...

Keep at it lads, that trophy will be well won this year.

As for the madman that is Mr Rigger's, doing well pal keep it up I know what you are going through, all the best buddy, nearly there, have a good autumn.

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I might as well not bother then had I? confused.gif

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Yep, l'll be there (as usual)...er l'll have a glass of white please Paul biggrin.gif

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Paul Wilson wrote:

Anyone up for an evening out in the usual pub soon? My 50th is coming up near t'end of this month (26th) and wondered if anyone fancies helping me get over it!






Yes Paul, count me in, as its your "party" you can choose the venue.
Look forward to you gettin the beers inwink.gif

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The talk in the club last night was all about the Manchester Birding Tournament, in what may be its last year









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Anyone up for an evening out in the usual pub soon? My 50th is coming up near t'end of this month (26th) and wondered if anyone fancies helping me get over it!

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The talk in the club last night was all about the Manchester Birding Tournament, in what may be its last year, its turning into a real cracker.

Two of Manchester's top birders are locked in battle in a fantastic competition,dedication, top field skills, and mega finds, Shore lark, Egrets, Marsh Harriers, these are birds any GM birder would be glad to see at any time, but Ian McKerchar and the Legend that Is Warfy, are finding them on their own patches.

You have to take you cap off to these two, and with Warfys luck perhaps the Sandgrouse from Finland will be his next find, as for Ian what will he come up with next, perhaps another Sabine's gull in a gull roost or will he pull some more caspian's out of his ever watchful eye.

Its making me dizzy keeping track of these two, as for last nights incident, scoping each other from there patches, DEDICATION these two have got buckets full...

Keep at it lads, that trophy will be well won this year.

As for the madman that is Mr Rigger's, doing well pal keep it up I know what you are going through, all the best buddy, nearly there, have a good autumn.

Keep Birding

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Rob, for many years now the phones have not worked on parts of the scillies, whereas you still get pagers messages, to submit your findings, you have to go to the Pay Phone, now on St Agnes there is only one! its harks back to the old dayssmile.gif

As for me to be honest the cost of the pager is still cheaper than a phone, so its a penny pinching thing. Perhaps Ian article ( don't feel under pressure buddy) will shed light on the subject.


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Why carry a pager as well as a phone?
Surely everyone carries a phone with them to report all the rare birds they find in order for it to be "paged" to people in the first place? disbelief.gifno.gifconfuse.gif

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Had an excellent reply today from the PUNKBIRDERS, and Mr Filby of RBA has promised a detailed reply, in the meantime.

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Can't say too much as it'll spoil the article





Don`t leave the article too long pal, in case computers become obsolete......hmm.gifwink.gif

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Can't say too much as it'll spoil the article . Don't forget that Birdnet still do their well established pager service which are substantially more costly than their Twitter service.

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pagers are coming to the end of their life anyway.




If this is so, then why did RBA deem it necessary to launch (with much fanfare) their new X3 Pager only last year ?

Just a query, (and not so as to cause inter-pager/phone rivalry evileye.gif)

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If mobile phone coverage is poor in some areas then pagers have no chance! The coverage of mobiles is continually improving whereas pagers are coming to the end of their life anyway. Smart phones are the way forward. I am typing this whilst sat at work and reply to most of my emails now on my mobile. I have cut down on my computer time sat upstairs by a huge amount and can now spend more time out birding instead

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Many thanks Ian, however as you know I am not one for technology, but you may be onto something here, as I do like to save money, the price of the pager against the phone is difficult to pin down, and as far as I know phone coverage on St Agnes, Isles of Scilly, is still poor, someone said they are also poor at Spurn?

Still giving me something to do, will talk to some teenager at carphone warehouse today on the subject.

Looking forward to all your new reviews, keep at it.



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I'll get the article out asap, although I am currently working on two main articles (not including the Birdnet/Twitter one), four site guides, a species study (which is on going for the foreseable future!) and my own trip report from April which I still haven't done!

Needless to say the Birdnet offering is unique to them at the moment, costs an absolute fraction of a pager (quite surprisingly cheap!), is more user friendly, allows you to customise what information you require and most importantly provides the very latest bird news atleast as quick as a pager. All on your own mobile 'phone! I have never looked back.

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Ian;s comment regarding pagers are dead, had got the members talking, and perhaps we will have to update ourselves.

I am sure Ian will produce an excellent article re the new Smartie phonesbiggrin.gif but what are the thoughts re pagers and phones, I have considered sending my pager back, as I cannot remember the last time it made me leg it for a bird.


I also noted the complete demise of the CB radio on the Scilles, perhaps the pager is going the same way........

But surely the pager is still cheaper?


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Well I know Mr Woosey does like to shout about his membership! But we are all proud of his constant dedication to patch work, (not the quilt kind) that paid off proper today,biggrin.gif

An Excellent bird, well done that man, now no moaning about nothing about.


Thanks for the quick news and excellent directions.


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Mr Warford well done on the two county lifer, back on your son's tail again, and mine.biggrin.gif


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Mark Rigby wrote:

I think you must have the wrong Riggers.ashamed.gif

That guy in the photo doesn't look anything like me. no.gif




He would if he had his wrestler's leotard on smile.gif




Oooo please dont John!! bleh.gif

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I think you must have the wrong Riggers.ashamed.gif

That guy in the photo doesn't look anything like me. no.gif




He would if he had his wrestler's leotard on smile.gif

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I think you must have the wrong Riggers.ashamed.gif

That guy in the photo doesn't look anything like me. no.gif


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Riggers going for the year list. Why I never knew! how did you keep it so quite.Anyway excellent news, the 200 club will supply a fitting night out at the endbiggrin.gif

Very good article on the first months attempt on the website, well written and you have my sympathy, its a hard slog, but go for it, it's an experience you will never forget.

All Gm Birders will help. they did for me, good luck,looking forward to the next months instalment, (Dickens used to do his books like that)


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The 200 Club will be having a special drink tonight in celebration of the Legend that is Warfy, reaching a Thousand posts on the forum, with his report of the Shorelark in Bolton, what a post to have for your 1000,

Members keep birding.

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This is an appeal to all members of the 200 club and would be members.

The Manchester Birding Website is without doubt the best birding information arena in the Northwest, the site contains the Forum, which is divided into three sections,
Sightings, discussions and out of county, now recently postings appear to have gone somewhat off piste!

One Pennington flash post just had a smiley face on, the next was a query regarding that post? may I suggest that a private Pm asking the said person why! would have been the correct course of action, as it was not a sighting.

The sightings thread should be for birds seen, hence the discussion thread, where we could ask questions regarding post etc.

Now I know before the replies come back I am guilty of many a post that have been way off the mark, and have had post closed etc, I have learnt my lesson and save my madness for the 200 Club Meetings, and field trips

So what do we think, are we using the right section for the right post!

As always keep the information coming, don't flush the birds and keep birding.

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What a jolly boys outing it was, with guest appearance from Mel, the coffee lady, kept us all warm on this mega cold day.

As for January 1st 2010 in Greater Manchester once again Team Heaford put on a very respectable score, considering the weather and lack of rare birds in the county this year.

Had the Great Northern Diver stayed or the Green winged Teal put on a show, we may have seen a new total, but we scored 80 species for the day, one shy of our previous year's record attempt.

Will send Ian a full account of our days birding which was one of the best days out this year, no honest great company, some top birding by the 200 club members and guests.

Thanks for a stunning start to 2010.

Keep Birding.


ps Riggers good luck on the secret year list hope you do wellbiggrin.gif


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Last years affair was an "out of county" one but in 2010 team "Heaford" are getting together for its annual New Years day jolly boys outing, watch out for us as we could be invading your local patch tomorrow. Cakes and brews(or pies) gratefully received en route.
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Another excellent evening, many a laugh and seasonal drink had by all.

A vast array of ideas for next year suggested among them.

A site list, (visit all the sites listed in the back of the county report)
A bike list ( a year list of birds whilst cycling around the county)
A field list( vista all the field on Carrington moss)

Other not able to print for various reasonsbiggrin.gif

Many thanks to all who signed the card presented to me for My 183 Year list attempt, it was much appreciated.

As for the best bit of 2009 not certain where we went with that but I recall laughing a lot.

The Award to best Website went to the man with no face, the boss himself Ian McKerchar,
done of it would have been possible without you buddy, we all thank you fro the back of our notebooks. cheers Ian.

As for the next meeting Warfy has been looking at apartments in the Hilton building in Manchester, so you never know! or was it the Peveril of the peak pub?

Great night nice to see you all, thanks for making the effort.

HAPPY YULETIDE




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Looking forward to seeing you all again tonight, and hopefully a few new faces.

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Gentlemen I take your point to heart. Therefore the agenda will contain Location of next meeting, one suggest via a PM was a 200 club Gm tour, sound good to me, and something for 2010, a new venue for a new decade.

So thanks in ahead of all those that make the dangerous journey into the depths of Bolton,

Rob, John please feel free to suggest a tavern close to you, and I will include it on next years tour.

Keep birding



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Paul Heaton wrote:

There is a very good reason why it is not held in the town centre Rob, but I cannot think of what it is. If you need a lift in I am sure we can help out...


Hi Paul,

After you've collected Rob could you pick me up from Hazel Grove as well please.

City centre gets my vote smile.gif

Cheers, John



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Congratulations to a cleaner smelling Cliffy...kissing you won't be the same biggrin.gif
Also to Dean well done...

C'mon Sue...you gonna give up?

Regarding the venue for our drinks... you suggest somewhere Rob. The Tansy was where we all met first and no-one wanted to go anywhere else for our next 'meeting'....but it isn't set in stone that we meet there.

If you need a lift,that'd be no problem smile.gif

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Sue Fargher wrote:

Firsty, congrats on the 51 days fag free Paul. However if Mr MacDonald is attending I won't be on my own outside.

Will be good to get together again.






I'll be there Sue but you'll still be on your own, I'm 10 weeks fag freesmile.gif

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