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RE: THE GREATER MANCHESTER 200 CLUB.


Thank you very much Mr Heaton - I shall look forward to the benefits of membership wink.gif

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Mr Johnson Spotted Redshank gets you full membership to the club, well done that birder.

Another 200 lister for GMbiggrin.gif

Keep Birding.



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The 200 club -- A personal slant.

I find it fascinating and quite fun to see how various participants progress and enjoy their listing in Gr. Manchester (be it year listing, site listing, borough listing, or G.M. listing). As I see it, the spin off benefit is that it probably gets more birders out in the field more often and covering more places than otherwise might possibly be the case.

Certainly when I am able to get down to Greater Manchester, it is always with a degree of excitement in the expectation that as there are so many species for me to catch up with, I can generally make some progress of sorts either to my very modest site lists and/or several borough lists I have started to maintain.
It helps to come down from Durham preferably at different seasons and also to try to coordinate visits with the occurrence of potential GM lifers, (which in a perfect world would all turn up in 3's and 4's and stick around for 3 days !).
I have no expectation of ever gaining membership of the 200 club however, (distance, time, expense, and the limits of marital forbearance will doubtless mitigate against that). However, one is free to dream, and if I can achieve 175 this year, then that will be for me a pretty creditable mark.

Accepting that there are "closet" 200 club members not in the list table, I was curious to see who of those listed have been the main "movers and shakers" in 10 months since I last made a note of how the table stood from an arbitrary starting date (which happens to be May 5th 2010).

Of those already in the select club I found the following:

May 5th 2010 March 5th 2011
John Rayner 215 223 + 8
Alan Warford 221 226 + 5
Mark Rigby 210 215 + 5

Of the rest I found :

Iain Johnson 176 194 + 18
Ian Campbell 169 179 + 10
Geoff Hargreaves 168 176 + 8
Tim Wilcox 162 170 + 8

As at May 5th 2010 there were 16 listed 200 club members, 10 months later there were 20, (3 having gained promotion, and one having joined from the "closet" ranks).
As for my own obsession, it's all the fault of three individuals, (Rayner, McKerchar, and a certain Audenshaw Purple Sandpiper!)

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I do believe that Mr Ian Reynolds and his brother Gary will be made Honorary members of the 200 Club, for their excellent contribution to the sightings of Greater Manchester.

I have always said that once I had seen Wallcreeper and Siberian Rubythroat in the UK, I would give up twitching,however I may now add Dusky Thrush to that list.

The news and the photographs are just stunning, what a find.....and to think this record may have been lost, had they not sought conformation of its identity

It also goes to show anything is possible. I have mixed emotions about this bird, had the new come from Norfolk or Cornwall, I would have just thought lucky buggers, but the fact that it was in our own back garden of Manchester is mind blowing.

Is there a need to travel well...yes...but imagine been out of county and getting the newswink.gif

A tremendous account of immense important to record keepers and birders throughout the land, Gentlemen the 200 Club salutes you.


Enjoy your plane spotting but keep bird spotting as well.

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Well Gentlemen and ladies, the year comes to an end. It has had its ups and downs, but thats life.

The tournament ends with an amazing third win for Ian McKerchar, and what a tournament it has been, filled with fantastic birds, and amazing numbers . The top 3 all deserve a pat on the back, as for the trophy it will be present to Ian in the new year.

Hope 2011 brings the birds to you.

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Thanks guys and dead right Paul- Over the moon with such a memorable bird to qualify for membership and well worth the wait.
Looking forward to getting the club blazer and key to the members washroom!
Steve

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Well done Steve!!!

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Mr Collins what a way to enter The 200 Club, a GM mega, confirmed by our very own Mr Mc Kerchar, well done that man.


Enjoy you membership you have earnt it.


Keep birdingbiggrin.gif


Keep an eye on Mr Berry seems he is going for the 250 Club very elite position.

-- Edited by Paul Heaton on Wednesday 10th of November 2010 04:39:48 PM

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Simon Warford wrote:

Paul Wilson wrote:

Anyone up for an evening out in the usual pub soon? My 50th is coming up near t'end of this month (26th) and wondered if anyone fancies helping me get over it!






Yes Paul, count me in, as its your "party" you can choose the venue.
Look forward to you gettin the beers inwink.gif




me too, ages since l got silly drunk wink.gif

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Thanks Paul and Steve - now wondering if it's possible to get into the GM250 or the Rochdale200 club before I die - and as for the Hollingworth Lake 200 club I guess I can dream!



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I know, I know!! This is worse than waiting for one number at bingo!
Well done Simon- glad you made it. The one spin off though is I now stand alone at the top of the 100 club! (or the under 200 club depending on the rules!smile.gif)
Cheers
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Sorry Mr Hitchen, missed your 200.

Simon Hitchen, bags Wood Sandpiper and gets his 200 bird for Gm, well done that man.

The Club welcomes you and wishes you all the best in your next target.

Keep Birding.


ps, come on Mr Collins, only 1 to gobiggrin.gif

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I only wish I could Mark!

Still, at least I'm not the only person not to read all posts. My GM Atlas section post on Wren was only read by 39 people. Perhaps the other 609 forum members are trying to tell me something yawn.gif

Still even Bill Myerscough's post on Song Thrush was only read by 46 people. Bill's off the wall humour always brings a smile to my face. Perhaps one day he'll publish them all in a book Memoirs of a Forum Contributor!

You've done it again Mark. Started off another discussion on this thread and I've fallen into the trap of replying to it. biggrin.gif

Good luck with the year listing. Only 4 months and 23 days to go. bleh.gif

Steve

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I'm probably not the only person who doesn't have the time to read every post on this forum and had completely missed the discussion about the tournament, until someone drew it to my attention.





Shame on you Steve, find time!biggrin.gif

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Thanks Paul,

I certainly would not wish you to close down this thread on my account. The GM 200 club, fictitious or otherwise, is perfectly entitled to have its own thread.

Perhaps I didn't get my message across very clearly. I was just questioning why a discussion about the Manchester Tournament is taking place on this thread. I'm probably not the only person who doesn't have the time to read every post on this forum and had completely missed the discussion about the tournament, until someone drew it to my attention.

A lot of the tournament participants are not members of the 200 Club, so I just think it would be better in future for any discussion about the tournament to be held on a separate thread.

As for my GM list, I've never sat down and worked it out. That will have to wait until after the Atlas has finished. You know that I do most of my birding at Watergrove and around Rochdale which is why my borough and site lists are on the website.

Cheers

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Mr Thrope, it has been noted your 177 county life list has not been updated for some time, and we all twitchwink.gif

Steve the doors will remain open, I hope enough to let you in.

Lets just be proud to be a GM Birders, with a top website, I would not move anywhere else..

Well maybe Norfolk or Cornwall, or the Scillies, perhaps Spurn, or anywhere on the East coast, or Wales, oh Scotlands good as well, biggrin.gif


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The tournament is perfect as it is... Equal to all!
As for the 200 club... The reason I don't twitch. wink.gif

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Close!!!!! You can't close the 200 club- I'm on 199!!! Got my suit ready for the graduation ball!
As for the tournament, speaking as the one supporting the rest of you with 1 point,
I have no problem with the format. I dream of the big find! In fact, had I got out of work an hour earler all them godwit points would have bee mine! I was there that early evening looking for the barn owl at dover Basin and would have stolen the points!
So its all possible- throw your hat in the ring and winner takes all!
Steve (Genioglossus extending laterally towards the buccinatorbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif)

-- Edited by Steve Collins on Saturday 7th of August 2010 01:47:08 PM

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Steve, you are always welcome to post on this thread, as for been a member, I don't see your list, but I am sure its healthy, The club! been a complete figment of its members imagination, hold Mr McKerchar is the highest regard, he is an honorary member and has his own suite.

The Gm Website and it's boss are very, very safe, I hope he will remain in place for a long time, the idea regarding the tournament was really to generate a proper discussion on how to tweak it, adapt it, maybe change a couple of birds or add a few.

Ian had maintained a perfect tournament for us all, it was just a thought that perhaps we could see a new format for next year, what do you think yes or no.

Also reading the 200 club thread, it has caused offence in the past, which was not meant, always one for a laugh to lighten up things, but I am very happy if people would prefer this thread and the 200 club idea to be closed?

It was and is always meant to be a tongue in cheek, mickey take, and should be thought of as just that.

Now off to the library, with a single maltbiggrin.gif

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Not being a member of this illustrious group, I don't normally read this thread and am not sure whether I'm allowed to post on here. biggrin.gif However, another birder, whose identity I shall protect, alerted me to a discussion regarding the Manchester Tournament.

Maybe I've missed something, but I'm mystified as to why the GM 200 Club thread is being used for a discussion about the Tournament. Unless of course the Club are secretly planning a coup d'etat to overthrow the current Tournament boss and rule setter and intend to restrict entrants to the 2011 competition to 200 Club members.

If they do achieve this there would surely be a massive fall in the number of personally found birds and hence overall points total accrued.

Yours (langue dans la joue)wink.gif


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Could the handi cap system include people who cant drive? any bird worth points found by someone who cant drive and cover as many sites of those who can drive be doubled?! - Id win easy! haha

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I think Black-tailed Godwit should be worth more than just one point each, they're rare as rocking horse poop these days! wink.gif

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Points are and indeed will be tweaked at the start of each new Tournament Riggers, as the status of species changes. I'm open to suggestions but sent privately please

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Perhaps all that is required is a slight tweaking of the points for some species!
Also I like the handicap system, with birds seen in Wigan and Bolton being worth half points and birds seen at Castleshaw worth 10x. Having said that, even with the handicap system in place, I would be nowhere near the top!wink.gif

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No touchy subject at all Paul, nothing is and I love to discuss it, though perhaps some more personal discussion would be better as all these posts just makes it seem that I'm not prepared to listen (which is certainly not the case) and more than the pig-headed ogre which it seems I'm Increasingly thought of. The whole Tournament was carefully considered and planned but I'm certainly not saying it's perfect and other ideas might well enhance it. If I haven't got a perfectly reasonable explanation why it wouldn't work or enhance it any further then how could I refuse it?

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Ian, fair point was not trying to penalise anyone, and in fact was hoping a slight change would benefit the tournament in general. Alas not so, apparently.

Intense coverage it is then for next yearbiggrin.gif

And as you say Audenshaw lacks coverage,so roll on that big flock of points, that will be there this winter.

Seems to be a touchy subject so no more from me.

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Paul (Heaton ), penalising birders who are more active than others in the Tournament will surely decrease effort all round? Not just for the Tournament itself but more importantly for the benifit of the county's avifauna itself. The Tournament was and certainly does for some (info via pers comms), intend to increase county birding if anything, prove a point of what we can achieve in our little landlocked county.

At the end of the day, no one is in a better position than anyone else. We all have the same opportunities, chances to find those birds. Pennington Flash has very few birders, Audenshaw Reservoirs lacks coverage, Horwich Moors has all but a tiny handful of observers. Most county sites receive a relatively small amount of coverage, birds must quietly pass through unnoticed all the time, Elton last year proved what intensive coverage is capable of.

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Will be away for your half century Paul, will send some groats over for a beer on me.

See you soon.

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Paul (Wilson ), that is the whole point of the Tournament. Some birders might not be able to compete with others who dedicate more time and effort yet they could change their fortunes in one find. To me, if someone comes from nowhere to win it in the last month with a big find I'll be absolutely chuffed to bits for them



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Its your website Ian, your labour of love, I will leave it for you to carry on the good work.

As said fantastic competition, just trying to add a degree of hope for others.

Carry on and good luck, looking forward to the autumn and anything it may bring.


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I think there should be a system where you get less points per bird when you find a large flock. For example:

For a Common Scoter (currently worth 2 points)

1-5 birds 2 points each,
6-10 birds 15 points,
11-20 birds 20 points,
21-50 birds 25 points,
50-100 birds 30 points,
101+ birds 35 points.

This would help to stop a single find of birds having such a big influence on the total. As it stands, one find of a large flock can be enough to win the tournament. I could go all the way to October without going birding at all, then find a flock of 200 Bewick's and have 4000 points! With the scoring system as above I'd only get 350 points (still a good haul).

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Cannot stay in it current format in the interests of fairness and fun? Erm, who decided this Paul, you? What is not fair? Is there only fun in winning it? How would a handicap system work? Do all birders not have the ability to go out birding whenever their spare time allows? Do you have have any idea how unfair, complicated and time consuming a handicap system is? Why should just the 'top birders' be handicapped and who or what are 'top birders' anyway? Who decides who is a 'top birder'?

I know one thing and one thing only, the Manchester Tournament will go ahead next year and the only reason it will not is due to a lack of interest. Should that be the case then I can assure you that the county will be less productive because of it. Trophies and 'top birders' are not what the Tournament was ever about, which was each individual enjoying their own finds and seeing how well they could do, not necessarily comparing themselves to others. Remember, the fun is in finding the birds, not in the rankings board. Anyone can still find a big flock of Bewick's Swans this winter and what then?












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Far from it Mr Thrope, in fact your dedication to local patch work, and time spent in the field, just goes to show how the tournament can benefit any birder. As Ian always says the next point are just around the corner.

Yet are we in for a three strikes and were out tournament, Ian,s ability to find points is becoming amazing, his steady plod around the county day in and day is truly monumental, he has within himself the power to get his name on the trophy for a third time.

This year tournament has been one of the best so far, 3 top birders battling it out in the field, Warfy,s list is impressive yet Ian matches him point for point, Rob your Godwit flock just goes to show how the competition can be turned on its head.

So can Ian pull off a third win, will Mr Thrope stay ahead, his name is penciled in and I am sure there are some more points out there for him, Will the legend that is Warfy pull out a flock of snow bunting this winter at Cutacre?

As for us lesser mortal we can only look on at the premiership birders.

So as for next year tournament, It cannot stay in the same format, in interest of fairness and fun. Perhaps a handicap scheme where points for the top birders are worth less.


Personally I would like to see a change in the species list, giving the top birders a real challenge.

As with all things change is good.biggrin.gif

It,s a great competition, and fantastic to watch, but soul destroying to lesser mortals who don't stand a chance.

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Paul Heaton wrote:

The talk in the club last night was all about the Manchester Birding Tournament, in what may be its last year, its turning into a real cracker.

Two of Manchester's top birders are locked in battle in a fantastic competition,dedication, top field skills, and mega finds, Shore lark, Egrets, Marsh Harriers, these are birds any GM birder would be glad to see at any time, but Ian McKerchar and the Legend that Is Warfy, are finding them on their own patches.

You have to take you cap off to these two, and with Warfys luck perhaps the Sandgrouse from Finland will be his next find, as for Ian what will he come up with next, perhaps another Sabine's gull in a gull roost or will he pull some more caspian's out of his ever watchful eye.

Its making me dizzy keeping track of these two, as for last nights incident, scoping each other from there patches, DEDICATION these two have got buckets full...

Keep at it lads, that trophy will be well won this year.

As for the madman that is Mr Rigger's, doing well pal keep it up I know what you are going through, all the best buddy, nearly there, have a good autumn.

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I might as well not bother then had I? confused.gif

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Yep, l'll be there (as usual)...er l'll have a glass of white please Paul biggrin.gif

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Anyone up for an evening out in the usual pub soon? My 50th is coming up near t'end of this month (26th) and wondered if anyone fancies helping me get over it!






Yes Paul, count me in, as its your "party" you can choose the venue.
Look forward to you gettin the beers inwink.gif

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The talk in the club last night was all about the Manchester Birding Tournament, in what may be its last year









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Anyone up for an evening out in the usual pub soon? My 50th is coming up near t'end of this month (26th) and wondered if anyone fancies helping me get over it!

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The talk in the club last night was all about the Manchester Birding Tournament, in what may be its last year, its turning into a real cracker.

Two of Manchester's top birders are locked in battle in a fantastic competition,dedication, top field skills, and mega finds, Shore lark, Egrets, Marsh Harriers, these are birds any GM birder would be glad to see at any time, but Ian McKerchar and the Legend that Is Warfy, are finding them on their own patches.

You have to take you cap off to these two, and with Warfys luck perhaps the Sandgrouse from Finland will be his next find, as for Ian what will he come up with next, perhaps another Sabine's gull in a gull roost or will he pull some more caspian's out of his ever watchful eye.

Its making me dizzy keeping track of these two, as for last nights incident, scoping each other from there patches, DEDICATION these two have got buckets full...

Keep at it lads, that trophy will be well won this year.

As for the madman that is Mr Rigger's, doing well pal keep it up I know what you are going through, all the best buddy, nearly there, have a good autumn.

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Rob, for many years now the phones have not worked on parts of the scillies, whereas you still get pagers messages, to submit your findings, you have to go to the Pay Phone, now on St Agnes there is only one! its harks back to the old dayssmile.gif

As for me to be honest the cost of the pager is still cheaper than a phone, so its a penny pinching thing. Perhaps Ian article ( don't feel under pressure buddy) will shed light on the subject.


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Why carry a pager as well as a phone?
Surely everyone carries a phone with them to report all the rare birds they find in order for it to be "paged" to people in the first place? disbelief.gifno.gifconfuse.gif

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Had an excellent reply today from the PUNKBIRDERS, and Mr Filby of RBA has promised a detailed reply, in the meantime.

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Can't say too much as it'll spoil the article





Don`t leave the article too long pal, in case computers become obsolete......hmm.gifwink.gif

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Can't say too much as it'll spoil the article . Don't forget that Birdnet still do their well established pager service which are substantially more costly than their Twitter service.

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Ian McKerchar wrote:

pagers are coming to the end of their life anyway.




If this is so, then why did RBA deem it necessary to launch (with much fanfare) their new X3 Pager only last year ?

Just a query, (and not so as to cause inter-pager/phone rivalry evileye.gif)

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If mobile phone coverage is poor in some areas then pagers have no chance! The coverage of mobiles is continually improving whereas pagers are coming to the end of their life anyway. Smart phones are the way forward. I am typing this whilst sat at work and reply to most of my emails now on my mobile. I have cut down on my computer time sat upstairs by a huge amount and can now spend more time out birding instead

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Many thanks Ian, however as you know I am not one for technology, but you may be onto something here, as I do like to save money, the price of the pager against the phone is difficult to pin down, and as far as I know phone coverage on St Agnes, Isles of Scilly, is still poor, someone said they are also poor at Spurn?

Still giving me something to do, will talk to some teenager at carphone warehouse today on the subject.

Looking forward to all your new reviews, keep at it.



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I'll get the article out asap, although I am currently working on two main articles (not including the Birdnet/Twitter one), four site guides, a species study (which is on going for the foreseable future!) and my own trip report from April which I still haven't done!

Needless to say the Birdnet offering is unique to them at the moment, costs an absolute fraction of a pager (quite surprisingly cheap!), is more user friendly, allows you to customise what information you require and most importantly provides the very latest bird news atleast as quick as a pager. All on your own mobile 'phone! I have never looked back.

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Ian;s comment regarding pagers are dead, had got the members talking, and perhaps we will have to update ourselves.

I am sure Ian will produce an excellent article re the new Smartie phonesbiggrin.gif but what are the thoughts re pagers and phones, I have considered sending my pager back, as I cannot remember the last time it made me leg it for a bird.


I also noted the complete demise of the CB radio on the Scilles, perhaps the pager is going the same way........

But surely the pager is still cheaper?


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Well I know Mr Woosey does like to shout about his membership! But we are all proud of his constant dedication to patch work, (not the quilt kind) that paid off proper today,biggrin.gif

An Excellent bird, well done that man, now no moaning about nothing about.


Thanks for the quick news and excellent directions.


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