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RE: Watergrove Resr


07:40 to 08:40 hrs
Chiffchaff - 1 singing above compensation lagoon (east side of resr)
Tufted Duck - 4
Lesser Redpoll - 1 singing
Pair of Oystercatchers flew north calling
Hide pool - a pair of Teal
Pair of Great Crested Grebes mating
3 Shelduck appeared on the resr after 8am almost certainly the birds from Hollingworth Lake which were presumably flushed by boats
Redshank on shoreline by windsurfers' club house
An unusual sight of a Moorhen displaying its white tail feathers and being closely followed by a coot
Green Woodpecker heard calling

The Shelduck were still on the resr at 19:30 hrs with 2 Teal



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Good walk round both the Reservoir and out on the moorland walk above.

2 Grey Heron
2 Great Crested Grebe
1 Buzzard
1 Moorhen
3 Coot
1 Chaffinch
5 Tufted Ducks (3m 2f)
2 Teal (pair)
2 Pied Wagtail (really close up views for 15mins on the dam wall)
Numerous Mallard,Magpie, Blue and Great Tits

Out on the moorland loop above the Res we were constantly accompanied by lots of Skylark, too many to count for me. All singing merrily away in the Sunshine.

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Mon 12/12 12:30 - 15:15 cold, damp, strong S breeze sunny spells initially

B hd Gull c 30
C Gull 10
L Bb Gull 1
C Goose 1

Green Woodp (H??) from W

Short Eared OWl 1 on moor N off res to E above large Beech trees

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One of my best duck days ever on Watergrove.
At 07:40 hrs
male Goldeneye (first of the autumn here)
11 Teal
a pair of Wigeon.

When I came out of the hide at about 8am more ducks had flown in:
Now 19 Teal
6 Gadwall These may well have been flushed from Hollingworth Lake as at 08:10 Simon Hitchen reported 14 rowing boats & no ducks

At 08:45 Dave Ousey reported 8 Gadwall. Teal had increased to 21.
I returned with my scope and was delighted to see 3 male gadwall (2 adults & a 1st winter) displaying to 5 females. This is the highest known count of Gadwall in Rochdale beating the previous record of 6 on Hollingworth Lake in Dec 1984. The previous max at Watergrove was 2 birds in Dec 2007. Only the 3rd record for this species on Watergrove.

Gadwall still present at 14:30 hrs according to Alan Nuttall.

It was good to meet you too Steve last Sunday. Thanks for the photos of the Watergove Red Kite, although it rubbed salt into the wound reminding me of the bird I'd missed. From the missing secondaries it seems highly likely it was the bird I saw on Rooley Moor on 16th April.

Steve

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after getting off the train at smithy bridge (to start my walk up to the res) 5 mins down smithy bridge rd there was 9 whooper swans high over heading in the direction off hollingworth lake at 9.40am.
at the res from 10.15am till dark...
3 goosanders
2 snipe
3 wigeon
2 tufted duck
1 buzzard
1 sparrowhawk
4 meadow pipits
3 redwings
2 flocks off fieldfares, 34 & 50+
42 pink footed geese south/west at 12.50pm
9 common gulls
3 l b b gulls
1 pied wagtail
b h gulls, canada geese, mallards, moorhen
blackbirds, robins, wrens, dunnocks
goldfinches, greenfinches, bullfinches, chaffinches
goldcrests, redpolls, collared doves
jays, crows, magpies, jackdaws, starlings
blue/great/coal & long tailed tits
green woodpecker (heard only)
tawny owl (heard only)

a pleasant day with great scenery

also a pleasure to meet steve atkins,thanks for the chat & the lift.


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another great day up there today

goosander 3
tufted duck 1
kestrel 2
jay 2
pheasant 2
chafinch 2
wren 1
long tailed tit (lots of)
coal tit 3
great tit 2
snipe 1
lesser black backed gul 1
cormorant 1
treecreeper 1
pied wagtail 1

and also two roe deer right in front of the hide wich was a nice end to the day


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Hope you get your field glasses repaired/replaced soon, Deon.
Glad you enjoyed Watergrove and the surroundings!

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had a great day yesterday on the walk from buckley lane smallbridge up to watergrove a good mix of blue,great,coal and longtailed tits also magpie,crow,woodpigeon,wren,chafinch,mistle thrush,kestrel,jay,feildfare and a barn owl
all in and around the woods along buckley lane further on at rydings lodge no ducks present today apart from a solitary moorhen but up in the trees there came accross a roosting tawny owl being mobbed by blue and great tits. onwards and upwards to watergrove a little further along saw a sparrowhawk winging its way towards wardle village then nightmare of all nightmares my field glasses decided to pack up just my luck so had to rely on my camera zoom which isnt the greatest but hey ho decided to carry on up to the hide anyway pretty quiet at the hide nothing much to report
common gulls 8
black headed gulls 3
feildfare 2
wren 1
moorhen 1
green woodpecker 1
long tailed tits 10
blue tits 4
blackcap 1
kestrel 1
but all in all a great day dont think i have seen that many raptors in one session before
and many thanks to steve atkins for all his feedback and opening up the hide managed to get some great pictures (hopefully some will be in next wednesdays observer) and will be visiting again soon as work permits

deon

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7 Crossbills seen from the hide. The birds came in from the north-east low over Ramsden Rd plantation, calling. Then passed low over the hide heading south-west over the resr.

Fieldfare - 20+
Lesser redpoll
Bullfinch - 3
Common Gull - 2
Black-headed gull -16
Lesser Black-backed Gull

Yesterday - a Great Spotted Woodpecker in willow just outside the hide. GSW is actually less common here than Green Woodpecker.

Steve

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Hi Deon,

Welcome to the Manchester Birding forum. I've sent you a personal message regarding the Watergrove hide which unfortunately is normally locked most weekdays. However, I do open it up most weekends.

I look forward to reading your posts from Watergrove and the Littleborough area.

Best wishes


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hi steve i am a new member on here a keen birder and photographer recently moved back to littleborough from wales i have visited the watergrove site on three occasions in the hope of spending some time in the bird hide but on each occasion found it locked up are there set opening times or do you have to contact the rangers office to arange access
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At 18:00 hrs again a solitary Whooper Swan in the middle of the resr. The bird was calling occasionally, dipping its bill in the water, stretching its neck and tilting it's head back. Presumably drinking.

It swam to within 50yds of the east shore and was still present at 18:35 hrs.

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At 18:00 hrs
3 Wigeon - my first of the autumn here
24 Teal in the middle of the resr





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9 Wigeon which I am reliably informed by Mr.Watergrove are the first of the autumn here

also 2 Great-crested Grebes, 1 Cormorant, 1 Kestrel, 1 Green Woodpecker, 4 Skylarks west, 2 Siskin over, 5+ Lesser Redpoll and 2 Bullfinch

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3 Crossbills flew low over Steward Barn this a.m. The greenish-yellow rump of one bird visible as they headed towards the resr.

Otherwise fairly quiet:
Chiffchaff - 1 heard calling & 1 singing
Blackcap - heard calling
Great Crested Grebe - 2
Reed Bunting
Bullfinch
Goldcrest

A Carrion Crow hovered over the water approx. 10 metres out from the shore and picked a dead fish up from the surface. Landing on the shoreline it was quickly robbed of its catch by another crow.

Steve


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A male Common Scoter in the middle of the resr at 18:00 hrs. Amazingly the first here since 2005 before which they used to be almost annual. Still present at 19:40 hrs despite the arrival of junior windsurfers from Hollingworth Lake. I'll be glad when they turn the tap back on again
Thanks to Dave Ousey for the loan of his scope.

Juv. Sparrowhawk hunger calling from one of the plantations.


Steve

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One of my closest ever encounters with Crossbills this a.m. Standing at the top of the steps down to Higher Slack Brook they were heard calling from a beech sapling just a few feet away. However, I was unable to see them until they took flight up the clough (3 green females) and landed in a hawthorn. Not really typical Crossbill habitat here on the edge of open moorland A minute later they flew back down the clough, circled in front of me and headed back north again. About an hour later 3 (possibly 4) Crossbills flew north over Trap Farm car park. The same birds? Perhaps it's going to be another influx year.

Great Crested Grebe - a pair
Coot - a pair with 1 remaining chick. With 2 parents feeding it continuously it's not surprising it has put on a lot of weight
Kestrel
Curlew - a single and a pair in display flight
Lapwing - 1 displaying
Black-headed Gull - 1 in breeding plumage (first returning bird since the spring)
Skylark - 5 singing (S)
Willow Warbler - 7S
Blackcap - 3S
Whitethroat - 2S
Lesser Redpoll
Goldcrest - 2 S
Reed Bunting - 1S

It was nice to meet Dave from Oldham (sorry I've forgotten your surname).

Steve

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This evening a superb summer plumaged Sanderling was feeding on the north shoreline by the path to the hide. Only 20 metres away and lit by the sun, so there was no need to set the scope up. My Springer Spaniel sat patiently for 10 minutes whilst I watched it with 2 Dunlin in breeding plumage. How's that for good behaviour biggrin.gif

Also seen this a.m.
Starlings still flying towards Wardle carrying food
Blackcap - 1 singing by the hide
Reed Bunting - 1S
Pair of Coot with 2 small chicks - there were 3 yesterday
Pair of Whitethroat
Blue Tit carrying food
Pair of Great Crested Grebe
Willow Warbler - 3+ singing

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Pete,

That's interesting to know that Starlings are also collecting leather jackets in the Naden valley. Thanks for the excellent photo of a leather jacket. Not sure though whether Ian will want to put that in the photo gallery biggrin.gif I expect this is being repeated all along the moorland fringe in GM.

Starlings were still collecting food at Watergrove today. On Friday 13th May over a 15 minute period I counted 55 Starlings flying south towards Wardle carrying food. There was a continuous stream of birds flying north towards the top of the valley which was presumably where they were finding the leather jackets. The distance between the feeding area and the village is about 1.5 - 2.0 miles which means they are making a 3 to 4 mile round trip every time so they must be clocking up a good number of miles over the course of the day.

A single Dunlin in breeding pluumage has been seen on 11th, 12th and 15th May.

Today a pair of Bullfinches was seen (the male was carrying dandelion seeds in its bill). Both birds disappeared into the plantation.

Also a Moorhen with 2 small downy chicks just a few days old.


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Congratulations Steven on finding the Red Kite. This is the 2nd official record from Watergrove. The last was seen in March 2006 by Brian Warren, Dave Winnard and Steve Collins. Despite watching the site on virtually a daily basis for nearly 15 years I've yet to see one here cry.gif It's a pity it wasn't wing tagged as it would be interesting to know whether its the same bird I saw on Rooley Moor in April. Another local birder told me this a.m. that he saw a Red Kite flying in the directiion of Rochdale next to the A627M (south of the M62) during the week.

Yesterday p.m. at Watergrove 170 Starlings were counted in a 10 minute period, all carrying food (FF) and flying in the direction of Wardle where they must have chicks in the nest. There are lots of old properties which must provide suitable nest sites. I'm pretty confident that there was no double counting as only a handful of birds flew back towards the fields where they were collecting the food. This a.m. I counted 45 Starlings in the space of 2 minutes doing the same and saw a bird half a mile down the road in the village perched on a tv aerial with food in its bill.

Whilst totally unscientific it does give an indication that the local population must be pretty healthy. Assuming both adults are now feeding the young this would represent 85 pairs and is probably only a small percentage of the local population. So if all the nests fledge 4 young there should be a flock of over 500 birds feeding on the moors by early June.

Clearly the intensive sheep stocking on the moorland fringe provides good foraging habitat for this species as the grass is very closely cropped. The New Atlas of Breeding Birds 1988-91 says The preferred foraging habitat of Starlings is grazed permanent pasture, as this provides high densities of the main breeding season food item leatherjackets

Steve

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hi steve, brilliant find for mesmile.gif its a shame you was not there yesterday after 15 years off watching this site, feel like i have robbed you as it is my first visitno.gif did get a couple off pics (not great) but you can tell what it is,when i did zoom in after taking the pic it did not have a wing tag.
the starlings were back and forth all day long only in small flocks off about 6-12 at a time some times even more and they do have nests in the houses in wardle as i walked from smithy bridge train station to here and back. did not count the amount off times i could hear young starlings in the nest,but its fair to say there was a lot. so like you say if there is 4 young to each nest that fledge,there should be a good size flock off starlings on the moors by early june. smile.gif
cheers,steve.

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Steve, I have had a similar experience with 100+ Starlings in the upper Naden valley above Greenbooth reservoir. Got a couple of photos of the starlings filling their beaks with caterpillars and eventually found one. Not identified the caterpillar yet but looks like a leatherjacket.
The Starlings were flying back and forth from the pasture in the direction of Doctor Dam in Norden.
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Congratulations Steven on finding the Red Kite. This is the 2nd official record from Watergrove. The last was seen in March 2006 by Brian Warren, Dave Winnard and Steve Collins. Despite watching the site on virtually a daily basis for nearly 15 years I've yet to see one here cry.gif It's a pity it wasn't wing tagged as it would be interesting to know whether its the same bird I saw on Rooley Moor in April. Another local birder told me this a.m. that he saw a Red Kite flying in the directiion of Rochdale next to the A627M (south of the M62) during the week.

Yesterday p.m. at Watergrove 170 Starlings were counted in a 10 minute period, all carrying food (FF) and flying in the direction of Wardle where they must have chicks in the nest. There are lots of old properties which must provide suitable nest sites. I'm pretty confident that there was no double counting as only a handful of birds flew back towards the fields where they were collecting the food. This a.m. I counted 45 Starlings in the space of 2 minutes doing the same and saw a bird half a mile down the road in the village perched on a tv aerial with food in its bill.

Whilst totally unscientific it does give an indication that the local population must be pretty healthy. Assuming both adults are now feeding the young this would represent 85 pairs and is probably only a small percentage of the local population. So if all the nests fledge 4 young there should be a flock of over 500 birds feeding on the moors by early June.

Clearly the intensive sheep stocking on the moorland fringe provides good foraging habitat for this species as the grass is very closely cropped. The New Atlas of Breeding Birds 1988-91 says The preferred foraging habitat of Starlings is grazed permanent pasture, as this provides high densities of the main breeding season food item leatherjackets

Steve

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here from 10.00am-5.30pm great day apart from the earlier rain. 47 species seen.

no dotterels for me, but a RED KITE will do nicely smile.gifsmile.gif seen going over res towards brown wardle hill (cheers for the earlier post ian) other birds seen...
common sandpiper, oystercatcher, lapwing, canada goose, mallard, cormorant,
tufted duck, whitethroat, blackcap, sedge warbler (heard only), willow warbler
heard and then eventually seen grasshopper warbler in between res and b w hill
lots off wheatear,meadow pipits and skylark,swifts, swallows and house martins
crows, rooks, magpies, jackdaws, reed bunting, linnet, siskin, redpoll, bullfinch,
goldfinch, greenfinch, chaffinch, blue tit, great tit, house sparrow, starling,
collared dove, wood pigeon, feral pigeon, blackbird, robin, dunnock, mistle thrush,
great crested grebe, l-b-b gull, pied wagtail, sparrowhawk and kestrel.

also seen 3 roe deer smile.gif



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Red Kite just flown over Watergrove Reservoir in the direction of Brown Wardle Hill.

Info thanks to Steven Burke

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No sign of any Dotterels this morning.

Info thanks to Dave Ousey

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I parked by Golf course accessed from Whitworth by Church Lane past Red Lion.

18:00 - 19:30 Walked up Brown Wardle and around the summit scannong likely grassy area slopes doen from summit - No Dotterel no.gif

c. 8 sleeping bag hang gliders on SW slopes may have scared birds off. Went arounf to N and E sides away from disturbance but couldn't find any birds.

May have gone or may have relocated due to disturbance. MAy be worth an early morning visit - weather permitting to confirm 'our' trip has moved on.

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Ian McKerchar wrote:

Joe, Keith Mills' post a few below offers decent directions. Using Google maps it should give you a good idea wink.gif






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Joe, Keith Mills' post a few below offers decent directions. Using Google maps it should give you a good idea

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Hi, I was planning a trip up tomorrow to look for dotterel, could anyone tell me a good route? I don't have the map of the area but is it still quite easy to find?
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5 Dotterel still present at 1245hrs today.

info from Birdnet

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Hi John,

Welcome to the Manchester Birding Forum. I look forward to reading more posts from you in the future.

There doesn't appear to be any news from Brown Wardle today. Althought the paragliders have now been joined by a radio controlled model aircraft, so perhaps the Dotterel have chosen to go somewhere more peaceful. It is incredible how much disturbance this area is subjected to by other people's leisure activities. We normally have to contend with off road motorbikes as well.

I certainly agree with you about what a wonderful site Watergrove is despite all the disturbance.

Seen this evening:

A pair of Common Sandpipers
Whitethroat singing
Willow Warbler - 8 singing
Skylark - 4 singing
Lapwing displaying
Lesser Redpoll - 5 +
Reed Bunting singing

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Remarkably after years of watching this site, this is my first posting. And what fantastic site it is.
So, here goes:

Brown Hill from Watergrove Res,

5 x Dotterel, 1 female, 4 male on the NW side of the hill, Grid Ref 897186

Small group of redpoll near the boat house
Willow Warbler
Grasshopper Warbler x2 On the way up the hill
Common Sandpiper
Ringed Plover


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Managed to nip up for an hour after work 6-7pm.

The walk up from Wardle was much longer than expected, but well worth it for the 3 Dotterel.
Thanks to the local birders (didn't catch any names) who let me use their far superior binoculars and could tell me to the exact ditch or tussock whether the birds were in GM or Lancashire.smile.gif

Also seen:
Several Lapwing
Wheatear
Skylark
Mipits
Swallows and a House Martin (1st for the year)
Whitethroat and Willow Warbler

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Nice to meet Dave tonight at 7.30 - 8.00 pm who took me and Holly up the hill to show us the birds, thanks again Dave, smile.gif three birds looking happy and settled hiding in the large ditches near the top out of the wind


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Still three Dotterel present around the summit of Brown Wardle Hill at 8pm.

Info thanks to Dave Ousey

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Its a piece of cake from Whitworth:Take Church St. up past the Red Lion and ... er... the Church. Where the road splits 3 ways take the middle one.
This road takes you up past the Golf club and onto the South saddle of the hill, and it's just a gentle stroll to the top with Skylarks for company.
About half a mile walk and easy parking.



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Hi Keith,

Found our way there Ok and from where we parked the car at about 11.30 we were able to see 3 birders who were photographing some Dotterel on the south slope of the hill. My friend managed to go up the more level section but was unable to manage the steeper section due to his bad back. Unfortunately for him the photographers kept trying to get closer so the birds were being pushed west and disapeared out of our sight so the best he managed was a distant scoped view of 3 birds. I plodded on and eventualy got a decent view of 3 birds and just sat and watched them with another birder and they even came a bit closer. Much easier than Pendle.

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Five Dotterel still present at 9:30, near the summit on the south facing slope.

Info thanks to Dave Ousey and Kevin Lister

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At least five still present early morning (6:00 am) but flighty, and commuting between the GM side and Lancashire. Last seen over the bordercry.gif but I did at least get them on the right side as wellbiggrin.gif

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Its a piece of cake from Whitworth:Take Church St. up past the Red Lion and ... er... the Church. Where the road splits 3 ways take the middle one.
This road takes you up past the Golf club and onto the South saddle of the hill, and it's just a gentle stroll to the top with Skylarks for company.
About half a mile walk and easy parking.



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Is access easier from Whitworth or via Watergrove? I may be strapped for time so looking for the quickest way in and out. (Yeah, yeah, I know, flippin' twitchers, eh wink.gif )

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At work today the pang of seeing these birds got the better of me so by 10.00am I took leave. Glad I went . 9 birds when Ivan and myself left just after 7.00pm...since I dipped these birds by a whisker the last time I was thrilled to get them this time.


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BROWN WARDLE HILL:

Thanks to the excellent directions given on this thread I found the Dotterel this evening very easily..... 6 to 6.30 pm
Dotterel 7....... 4 of which were more brightly coloured up than the other 3.

Viewed down from the top of the hill they were 25 yards below on smooth grass.
Very sociable and preferring the County side of the hill.

Last time I came up here, I was enjoying the Rossendale Mountain bike challenge,
but the site of these gorgeous birds was just great . They are worth two ticks on anybody's list!!

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Nine Dotterel still present on Brown Wardle Hill at 7pm this evening.

Info thanks to Dave Ousey

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Nine Dotterel still present on Brown Wardle Hill at 5pm. The flock had split slightly with two birds currently on the summit and the other seven in the immediate vicinity.

Info thanks to Ivan Ellison

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All nine Dotterel now approximately 10 metres south of the southern edge of the summit of Brown Wardle Hill.

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Dotterel still present this morning. Same location/coordinates as yesterday.

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Thanks for Posting Ian. I agree that the Dotterel were inside GM. Simon and I flushed them accidentally as we were walking up the side of Brown Wardle. The birds were only approx. 30 metres away and flew a short distance, calling, and then began feeding again on the closely cropped turf.

We were joined by Dave Ousey (who was disappointed that they weren't in Rossendale biggrin.gif) and watched the Dotterel feeding until approx. 17:30 hrs. The south facing hillside was still exposed to the strong easterly and at times the birds sat down, presumably to get out of the wind. It's incredible how they blend in to the landscape when sat down. They appeared to be 6 brightly coloured females and 3 duller males.

Simon took quite a few photos but digiscoping in the strong wind was testing to say the least.

It's amazing that the same number of birds has turned up in the same location two years running. Almost certainly brought down by the strong easterly wind that has been blowing non stop for the past four days.

Dave checked the area out last weekend and I also had a quick recce on Saturday evening but possibly overlooked them. There is a good chance they will hang around as long as this wind continues blowing.


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I've just checked and the Dotterel are currently (at their current coordinates) easily inside our county boundary

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9 Dotterel on Brown Wardle Hill at 3:45 today (same location as last May). Grid reference is SD897182 and I make that as being inside Greater Manchester

Info thanks to Simon Hitchen and Steve Atkins

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The remaining warblers arrived here over the weekend no doubt taking advantage of the extended period of fine weather to complete their migration.

Thursday 21st April the first Whitethroat was singing close to where breeding was confirmed in 2009 but also spending a lot of time feeding

Friday 22nd April:
A Grasshopper Warbler was reeling at the top of the Shore path.
A Sedge Warbler was feeding in the hawthorn hedge by the club house and singing intermittently. The need to refuel after its long journey appeared to be its main concern.

Sunday 24th April
The first Common Sandpiper of the year was displaying along the west shoreline.

House Martins are back on my street in Wardle. A pair have already reoccupied the nest under my eaves (first built in 2004) and were heard chattering to each other early on Sunday morning.


Steve


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