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RE: Redgate Recycling, Gorton.


Had a reply from Mike Jackson today, the ringed Gull is indeed one of his. This is what I received.

Thanks for reporting your sighting of a colour ringed Gull.
Ringing details are as follows:-

Colour ring number Y:685

BTO ring number GV 42661

Species Herring Gull (Larus argentatus)

Age when rung BTO code 3

Ringing Site, Harewood Whin, York (53.960 -1.177)

Date of ringing 7th October 2016

It was previously reported from Heaton Park Reservoir, Greater Manchester on 6th January 2017.

It looks like I've incorrectly aged the Gull. It was ringed in October 2016 and the BTO Code 3 means it hatched in that year so it's now in its 3rd year. Once again it proves to me just how difficult trying to age Gulls can be. confuse

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Thursday 11th October

- A ringed Herring Gull Y:685 present this afternoon. Looks like a 2nd year bird coming into its 2nd winter.
Think it's a York ringed bird, one of Mike Jackson's, and I'm currently awaiting a reply.

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- Peregrine high over Redgate 10.42am towards city centre. Appeared large and pale in colour.

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- 2 Ring-necked Parakeets over at 8.24am heading towards Openshaw

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I had a reply regarding the Gull below, thanks Ian, I couldn't find anything on cr-Birding.

Tim Frayling,
Senior Environmental Specialist in Ornithology.
Natural England.

- Lesser Black-backed Gull
- Green colour ring N:E29
- BTO ring no. GV58119
- Date ringed : 26/06/2018
- Ringing site : Langden, Bowland, Lancashire.
- Grid Ref : SD5750

This is the first re-sighting of this bird since it was ringed in June.



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- Juv Lesser Black-backed Gull this afternoon bearing a light green ring on it's left with alphanumeric code N:E29.
I will update as soon as I get a reply.

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This lunchtime...
- 1 Swallow skimming the floor up Redgate Lane
- 1 partially leucistic Carrion Crow present

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Hard to tell exactly but their looks to be in excess of around 120 Gulls this afternoon and all but a few (Herring Gull) look to be Lesser Black-backed !!!

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A route change due to me covering other drivers, and a quiet period for Gull scarcities has meant I've not managed to add anything to this or the Smithfield thread, but I thought this was worth a mention.

Saturday 23rd June approx 12.30pm.
- Lesser Black-backed Gulls 41 (mainly adults) on the 384 building. It got better as another 24 came in to land making it 65 on the building alone. More were still flying in but the refuse mound sounded as though it was being turned over and they all took to the air in a swirling mass.

1 adult Great Black-backed Gull and 2 adult Herring Gull looked a little bit out of place in amongst all those, but as expected they weren't phased and didn't move until the whole lot went up.
Nice to see some Gulls in numbers for a change.

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Today approx 2.50pm.
Having had virtually nothing here recently, I was pleased with a sighting of decent quality for this site towards the end of my tacho break today.

- 1 Rook flew really low up Redgate Lane towards the Auctions (BCA). Bit surprised but then again I'm not sure where the closest Rookery to the city centre is for it to be unusual as such.

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After 2 weeks of hardly a single Gull here (or at Smithfield for that matter) nice to finally see something of interest this afternoon, mainly Corvids though.

- 5 adult Lesser Black-backed Gulls
- 2 1st W Herring Gulls
- 1 Raven high over, totally unexpected!
- 1 Jay flew up Redgate Lane towards BCA
- 3 Carrion Crow
- 4 Jackdaw
- 3 Magpie

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Rob Creek wrote:

Just to update on the colour ringed Lesser Black-backed Gull I saw below.

I contacted a few Gull ringing schemes, the ones that came up on cr-birding when you go through the options of the ring combination. I got email notifications of 'no such email address' one of those being an Icelandic scheme, but I did get replies from 2 others in the last few days.

Firstly from a Danish ringing scheme to say it isn't one of theirs and they haven't seen that combination before.
Secondly from a French ringing scheme that dealt with Gulls touched by Botulism but it's not one of theirs either.

So this one may not be traceable for its history, for the time being, like you suggested Ian...it could be a discontinued ringing scheme.





Pete Rock (ringing coordinator) has been in touch and identified the ring combination on this Lesser Black-backed Gull as being done by Glasgow University, I've emailed Pat Monaghan there and I'm currently waiting on a reply.

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Just to update on the colour ringed Lesser Black-backed Gull I saw below.

I contacted a few Gull ringing schemes, the ones that came up on cr-birding when you go through the options of the ring combination. I got email notifications of 'no such email address' one of those being an Icelandic scheme, but I did get replies from 2 others in the last few days.

Firstly from a Danish ringing scheme to say it isn't one of theirs and they haven't seen that combination before.
Secondly from a French ringing scheme that dealt with Gulls touched by Botulism but it's not one of theirs either.

So this one may not be traceable for its history, for the time being, like you suggested Ian...it could be a discontinued ringing scheme.

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Today approx 1pm.

Not been many Gulls to see here this week and on the couple of occasions there were some present... the majority of them were very high up circling, so today made a welcome change.

- 7 adult Great Black-backed Gulls
- 10 adult Lesser Black-backed Gulls
- 2 adult Argenteus Herring Gull (no Argentatus seen)
- 2 Common Gull
- c150 Black-headed Gulls

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Saturday 17th of March 2018 10:02:43 PM

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Late post for Monday 5th March.

- 1st Winter Caspian Gull on the 384 building.

A quick stop and scan that paid off. I wasn't even sure it was one, I'd gone over a few Caspian features in my mind and some looked good but then some other features I thought looked good for Herring Gull. I sent the images to Ian and explained I wasn't sure but opted for Herring Gull.
Many thanks to Ian and the County Rarities Committee who have accepted it as a Caspian Gull.


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Tried 3 different email addresses on the cr-Birding site for the possibility of it being an Icelandic bird but all 3 attempts came back with "unable to send as no such email or user"

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Mostly usual Gull species this week at Redgate but a few interesting sightings included...

- Black-headed Gulls perched on overhead wires
(This was mentioned as seen elsewhere a while back on discussion)

- Lesser Black-backed Gull
A very large near-adult bird with a blue ring on its left leg and a tricolour red/white/yellow ring(s) on the right leg.

I managed to view the bird in a few positions and as far as I could see, there didn't appear to be any definitive identification numbers on the ring(s). Couldn't find anything on the net after a quick search, any ideas?
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One thing of note at Redgate last few days... hardly a single Gull seen on the 384 building whilst I've been there briefly or passing, but on 3 occasions including today there's been the highest number of Gulls I've probably seen here, in the air!

Must've been [a rough estimate] around 600+ birds with possibly 3/4 being Black-headed Gulls. A lot of the large Gulls were sometimes silhouettes so I couldn't even begin to decifer what was what.
My apologies. (See discussion New Bird books)

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Took my tacho break this afternoon at Redgate with only a handful of large Gulls making a brief appearance before flying off.
Then on the way back to the depot I noticed a stream of Gulls dropping down to the left side of Hyde Rd opposite Showcase cinemas.
Gorton Park was rammed with a sea of Gulls, Black-headed and Common Gulls in numbers and then a hefty sized group of large Gulls too.
Great! Just my luck, half an hour staring at an empty roof I'll not get back!
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Saturday 24th Feb - early afternoon

A strange last few days as virtually no Gulls at all around the recycling plant until today.

250+ Black-headed Gulls
4 adult Great Black-backed Gulls
2 adult Common Gulls
1 pale Lesser Black-backed Gull, I had to look twice
2 Argentatus Herring Gull
1 very pale immature Herring Gull, I had to look twice at this one too
It finally landed and I could see it was definitely a Herring Gull.

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Friday 16th Feb - afternoon

- 250+ Black-headed Gulls
- 4 Great Black-backed Gulls
- 6 Lesser Black-backed Gulls
- 4 Argentatus Herring Gulls
- 2 Pied Wagtail
- 2 Dunnock
- 1 Cormorant over

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Tuesday 13th Feb - afternoon visit

Hundreds of Gulls, literally!

- 1 juvenile Iceland Gull TWICE briefly on 384 building. Watched it with bins then reached for camera but it flew off over my wagon TWICE !!!
- Herring Gull Y:F94 again
- Black-headed Gulls 340 minimum !!!
- 8 Argentatus Herring Gull
- 5 adult Great Black-backed Gulls
- c90-100 large imm Gulls
- 4 Pied Wagtails
- 2 Dunnock
- 6 Jackdaw
- 1 Sparrowhawk right over the yard and put everything up!


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Monday 12th Feb
Morning (10am) and afternoon (2.30pm) visits.

Absolute shed load of Gulls on both the 384 and BCA buildings, and circling around the refuse yard, on both occasions.

- Black-headed Gulls 50+
- Common Gull 1 adult
- Lesser Black-backed Gulls 4 ad
- Great Black-backed Gulls 2 ad / 4 1st W
- Argentatus Herring Gull 4
- Argenteus Herring Gull 6 ad
(Vast majority of the large Gulls were juv and immature Herring Gulls, lots of them).

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The Herring Gull Y:F94 was ringed on 30th June 2017 at Harewood Whin Landfill site near York, around 2500 Gulls have been rung there to date, and this is the first sighting of this Gull since then.



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Thurs 8th Feb - pm

- Black-headed Gulls no fewer than 109
- Great Black-backed Gulls 6
- Lesser Black-backed Gulls 3
- Argentatus Herring Gulls 7
- Dunnock 1


Yellow ringed Y-F94 literally just dropped in as I was leaving

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Thursday 8th of February 2018 03:02:32 PM

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Weds 7th Feb.

Interesting afternoon visit with a few bits to offer.

- 6 Argentatus Herring Gulls incl 1 with only 1 leg
- 11 ad Great Black-backed Gulls
- 4 ad Lesser Black-backed Gulls incl 1 fairly pale mantled
- 1 Herring Gull - yellow ring No. Y-F94

Any ideas as to whose this could be Ian?
Cheers

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Monday 5th Feb.
Quick stop around 10am

- Great Black-backed Gulls 12 adults
- Lesser Black-backed Gulls 2 adults
- Argentatus Herring Gulls 7
- Common Gulls 4

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Thurs 1st Feb - 2.30pm

- 11 Great Black-backed Gulls
- 3 Argentatus Herring Gull

Only passed briefly during the week but seemed to be the usuals around.

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Thursday 1st of February 2018 08:24:35 PM

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Sunday 28th Jan
(Mid-afternoon with Simon and Chris)

No Gulls on the 384 building so we scoped over to the BCA roof where they all were.
- 17 adult Great Black-backed Gulls
- 8 Argentatus Herring Gull
- no sign of any Yellow-legged Gulls

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Thurs 25th Jan - 1.45pm

- 8 adult Great black-backed Gulls
- 2 adult Lesser Black-backed Gulls
- 8 Argentatus Herring Gulls
- c35 Black-headed Gulls

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Rob Creek wrote:

Tuesday 23rd Jan

- 31 minimum Great Black-backed Gulls this morning
- 7 Argentatus Herring Gulls
- 1 adult Lesser Black-backed Gull

...and if anyone is in the area go and put me out of my misery as I'm sure I had a juvenile Iceland Gull again but my stop was coming to an end so couldn't stay to scout for it!





Called back at 3.30pm for 30 minutes just incase the Iceland Gull showed, it didn't.
- 30+ Great Black-backed Gulls again
- 1 adult Lesser Black-backed Gull again
- 11 Argentatus Herring Gull
- c50 Black-headed Gulls

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Tuesday 23rd Jan

- 31 minimum Great Black-backed Gulls this morning
- 7 Argentatus Herring Gulls
- 1 adult Lesser Black-backed Gull

...and if anyone is in the area go and put me out of my misery as I'm sure I had a juvenile Iceland Gull again but my stop was coming to an end so couldn't stay to scout for it!

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Sorry Rob but I didnāt take any will do if/when I visit Cheers Nige

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Monday 22nd Jan 12.45pm

- 9 Great Black-backed Gulls
- 4 Argentatus Herring Gulls
- 1 Dunnock



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nigel charlesworth wrote:

Yellow Legged Gull on roof of 384 11:20





Hi Nigel, did you manage any images of this one? I might be able to tell you which one it is, and it will help with my record submission for Ian.
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Yellow Legged Gull on roof of 384 11:20

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Early afternoon visit today approx 1.30pm.

- 20+ Great Black-backed Gulls again
- 5 Argentatus Herring Gull
- 30+ Black-headed Gulls
- 2 Common Gulls harassing the Black-headed's

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Weds 17th Jan (12.25-12.55pm)

Didn't stop long at Smithfield so came to Redgate.
- 20+ adult Great Black-babies Gulls
- 7 Argentatus Herring Gulls

Strong winds have started and are keeping the Gulls active now as they are literally being blown down the roof and they lose their balance and just take off.

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Monday 15th Jan

- 23 adult Great Black-backed Gulls this morning.
(15 early afternoon)


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Rob Smallwood wrote:

I must have just missed you.

I was there soon after, only a fly ing visit but couldn't relocate the Iceland.





I lost it whilst I was there Rob unfortunately. There's no telling what birds will do especially Gulls, sometimes they remain in the exact same spot for lengthy periods and other times they are gone in an instant. I'm trying to keep a close eye on here and Smithfield at the minute, Redgate is on a direct route between my depot and the city centre where I am most days and Smithfield I have to go to anyway to get stock for the depot so it's fairly easy to monitor the sites a few times a week at least.
If anything of interest turns up then I will post it as soon as I can.
Cheers mate

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I must have just missed you. I was there soon after, only a fly ing visit but couldn't relocate the Iceland.

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In the last 30 minutes or so...

- 1 juvenile Iceland Gull (2nd white-winger of the week)
- 7 adult Great Black-backed Gulls
- 8 Ring-necked Parakeets over BCA

The Iceland Gull landed on the 384 building but was up flying again within seconds, I got good views as it flew over the wagon twice but it was lost to view over the main yard.

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Friday 12th of January 2018 09:35:05 AM

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Friday 12th of January 2018 09:38:02 AM

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Thurs 11th Jan. 9am.

Not quite the same numbers as yesterday and no sign of the Iceland Gull.

- 7 Great Black-backed Gulls
- 5 Argentatus Herring Gulls
- 2 adult Lesser Black-backed Gulls
- 2 Jackdaw
- 2 Pied Wagtail

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Weds 10th Jan.
Plenty of large Gulls to work through made for a cracking tacho break!

- A white-winger in the form of an adult Iceland Gull flying around over Redgate Lane this afternoon approx 2.45pm. Having got it in my bins I was happy, I grabbed my camera for a record shot but I was just too slow. I'm assuming it's the same bird as Simon Ghilks and Terry Sykes had on Friday and Sunday respectively at Audenshaw, and now it's found Redgate let's hope it turns up again.

Also of note...
- 31 minimum Great Black-backed Gulls (27 adults)
- 12 Argentatus Herring Gull
- 10 Argenteus Herring Gulls
- 30+ Black-headed Gulls
- 2 Common Gulls
- lots of other juvenile and immature birds present too
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Friday afternoon.

- 14 minimum Great Black-backed Gulls
- 8 (possibly 9) Argentatus Herring Gulls
- c25 large Gulls inc Lesser Black-backed and Herring Gulls + younger individuals
- c40 Black-headed Gulls

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Thurs 4th Jan - approx 9.30am

- 14 adult Great Black-backed amongst the large Gulls with more Gulls flying in from over near BCA

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Weds 3rd Jan, mid afternoon.

Not a single large Gull around Redgate or the 384 building, they were all on the new BCA building roof. There was roughly 50-60 large Gulls, but it was overcast and on and off spats of rain so the only ones I really noted were the Great Black-backed's of which I saw 14 adults.

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Tuesday 2nd Jan early afternoon

- Great Black-backed Gulls 15 ad / 3 1st w
- Argentatus Herring Gulls 12
- Yellow-legged Gull 2 adults

...one was the individual that's been hanging around recently, true to form it didn't stay long on the 384 building and flew off. Why it just turns up for a brief moment and where it goes I don't know. Also one of the Smithfield 2 turned up just as I was at the end of my break, briefly landed on the 384 building but then seemed to go down into the yard and I could hear it calling from there, I know that call anywhere, a loud deeper toned and slightly slower bellow than the Herring and Lesser Black-backed's.
A good day for Gulls today. smile

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Saturday 30th Dec... lunchtime.

Most of the large Gulls were on the British Car Auctions (BCA) new building.

- 1 Yellow-legged Gull. Looked really familiar and eventually the penny dropped, I'm almost certain it's the lone bird from Smithfield Market that I've not seen since Wednesday.
- 15 Great Black-backed Gulls (adults)
- 6 Argentatus Herring Gulls

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Saturday 30th of December 2017 07:00:54 PM



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Friday 29th Dec, mid afternoon

Probably in excess of 250 Gulls this afternoon
- c200+ Black-headed Gulls
- No sign of the Yellow-legged Gull
- 8 adult Great Black-backed Gulls
- 6 Argentatus Herring Gulls

And a funny thing happened, a particular HGV turned up and sounded its horn at the main gate, the 384 roof emptied and there was a mass of Gulls flying around near that wagon. It was waiting for a few minutes and the Gulls had settled down. It sounded its horn again and pandamonium broke loose again with the Gulls. Funny really as other horns sound when vehicles turn up and others already on site but they don't usually move. A bit of Pavlov's Dogs stimulus??

Image shows the adult Yellow-legged Gull (taken Wednesday morning) that still visits occasionally and sometimes only briefly.

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Friday 29th of December 2017 06:48:50 PM

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