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simon ghilks


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28/8/2012 0935

Not quite Hattersley but close enough.
The bird was seen perched on a tree stump next to a dip with shrubs around it, possibly a pond, in a field south of Matley Lane not far from The Rising Moon pub.
It then flew north, crossing the lane.

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its outside my house a lot :) callington drive opposite the four in hand pub

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Just incase anyone is interested it's back, father inlaw sent me a photo of it this evening wondering what it was

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Bald Ibis flying over Hattersley end of M67 this morning at 6.20 am. Phil Moss.

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Rob Smallwood wrote:

Any further sightings? Would like a pic for my "plastic" list....




Not seen it for a week. Sorry.

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Any further sightings? Would like a pic for my "plastic" list....

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James Kelday


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Iain Johnson wrote:

Does anyone know if the ibis still around please?





Yes, it's still here...... at least it was this afternoon.

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My job is merely to put the information out there Roger; I keep any ideas on origins to myself . That said, it was always worth seeing merely as a fine looking bird if nothing else.

I've also posted Sacred Ibis, Harris Hawk, Ringed Teal and once, a parrot, on this forum too though

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HaHaHa ! Now come on Ian you can't blame us lot ........ you set the snowball rolling.

A Bald Ibis (the previously wandering bord from Cheshire?) has been present for about two weeks on fields at Ken Ward Sports Centre in Hattersley, Hyde, off West Hattersley Road. Still present at 4:10pm today

Roger

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Mystery?

To some perhaps...

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The bird is an escapee from Blackbrook Zoological Park.

Hoooray ! Mystery solved.

Roger.




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Iain Johnson wrote:

Does anyone know if the ibis still around please?




In the immortal words of John McEnroe, 'you cannot be serious'...

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Does anyone know if the ibis still around please?

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Blackbrook is a few miles NW of Stoke, so it's not too far from home! Here's one of my better shots of the Ibis >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/garryshepperd/7585049416/in/photostream


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A quick google
http://www.rspb.org.uk/community/wildlife/f/13609/t/82926.aspx

The bird is an escapee from Blackbrook Zoological Park.

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Garry Shepperd wrote:

I'm rather annoyed, I gave permission to the MEN to publish my picture and NOT the Daily Mirror. On enquiring, they told me they pay the Manchester Evening News a fee for such images to publish. Robbery?



I gave my permission to The Reporter Group to publish my pictures..... then they didn't!
Gutted!

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I'm rather annoyed, I gave permission to the MEN to publish my picture and NOT the Daily Mirror. On enquiring, they told me they pay the Manchester Evening News a fee for such images to publish. Robbery?

After a photoshoot in Los Angeles, and jetting to London for more newspaper interviews!

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1583205_almost-extinct-northern-bald-ibis-has-birdwatchers-in-a-twitch-in-tameside



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Hi Martyn, yes, the very same

Just had an update from the Leisure Centre staff, the Ibis flew back in at 1:30pm Thursday 12th July

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James Kelday wrote:

Well, what do you know...... the bird is back!
He's on my neighbours roof, preening himself.




After a photoshoot in Los Angeles, and jetting to London for more newspaper interviews!

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1583205_almost-extinct-northern-bald-ibis-has-birdwatchers-in-a-twitch-in-tameside

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I love the fact that the RSPB has a 'Northern Bald Ibis co-ordinator' as shown in the article. I wonder how many other 'co-ordinators' they have?

By the way James, were you 'the man from Salford University'?

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Well, what do you know...... the bird is back!
He's on my neighbours roof, preening himself.

A couple more images on Flickr, if anyone's interested.

-- Edited by James Kelday on Thursday 12th of July 2012 03:48:51 PM

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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/northern-bald-ibis-rare-african-1139736

"Theo" the Bald Ibis has made it into the national press

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That will be why I couldn't find it this morning then.

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Probably suffering from "stage fright".

Lets see where it turns up next.

Roger.

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James Walsh wrote:

Spoke to Alison @ Ken Ward Leisure Centre this morning, apparently there were no sightings of the Ibis yesterday




I saw it flying away to the west (towards Manchester) yesterday evening.
Flying quite high and straight, as if it knew where it was going!

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According to the The International Union for the Conservation of Nature website vagrancy has occurred in the Republic of Cape Verde, Mali, Somalia, Western Sahara, Germany, Serbia, Portugal & Spain

http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/106003791/0

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Spoke to Alison @ Ken Ward Leisure Centre this morning, apparently there were no sightings of the Ibis yesterday

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No further sign of Bald Ibis this morning:

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James Walsh wrote:

from my experiences yesterday this bird is certainly becoming a local celebrity





I think you're right there..... the local press emailed me asking if they could use my Flickr photographs for a newspaper article.

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James Walsh wrote:

Natural vagrancy defo remote, but with an un-ringed bird, could not definately be ruled out




Perhaps we should have looked more closely at our influx of Ringed Teal a couple of years back, which bore no leg irons too

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Natural vagrancy defo remote, but with an un-ringed bird, could not definately be ruled out.........this bird probably offers better insurance than Barclays at the moment

The wider picture of Northern Bald Ibis global conservation awareness has defo been promoted a little more by "Theo" & from my experiences yesterday this bird is certainly becoming a local celebrity

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Okay, sitting on the fence here, just a point.

Being unringed has less bearing on it's escapee likelihood than you might think I'm afraid. I've gone into very (very) detailed research about a couple of similar species which if it proved one thing, is that we have less idea what is being kept in captivity in the UK than you might think and similarly, less than you might think are ever ringed.

Occurrences of Slender-billed Curlew and Blue-cheeked Bee-eater have no real relevance in proving any potential vagrancy, which must surely be so remote, especially against the escape factor, that its no surprise that the hoards of British elite twitchers are not descending on Hattersley.

Note that one at Sandbach Flashes back in September 2011 was 'unringed and fully winged' too





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The Hattersley bird appears to be un-ringed, if this is the case I would guess that my preliminary research suggests that it is either

a) a captive bird from a UK or European zoo/collection that has not been ringed & has escaped

b) a re-introduction scheme bird that has not been ringed (this seems very unlikely), or possibly an un-ringed offspring of re-introduction scheme birds

c) a wild bird from the Moroccan population (all the photos I have seen of these are of un-ringed birds)

d) a bird that has been ringed & the ring/s have come off

The safe money is on a zoo/collection escapee, but if it is un-ringed perhaps that increases the chances of genuine vagrancy a little (a la Slender-billed Curlew, White-crowned Black Wheatear, Blue-cheeked Bee-eater)














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Latest information

This from my Wildlife Law lecturer, Dr Rees

It is normal practice for zoos to ring most birds for identification purposes. This is essential for the maintenance of veterinary and breeding records. It is not a legal requirement that animals should be marked but there is a requirement to keep records and obviously this is not possible if individuals cannot be distinguished from each other. Zoos sometimes double ring one ring has a number and the other indicates the sex (depending on which leg is ringed)








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Was thinking of pooping up to Hattersley,to have a quick look at the said bird,however my missus doesn't seem too keen.... she's got a bit of a phobia about bald ibises,since one of the captive specimens at Pensthorpe literally covered her in foul smelling "ibis pooh",earlier this year!

Cheers Chris.

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I have posted a photo of said birdy on Flickr, I managed to get a few shots of it on my neighbours roof yesterday morning.
Unfortunately I am unable to post a link. If you want to search for it on Flickr, my screen name is James Kelday.

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There's now a thread on birdfoum for this bird

http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=234730

Have made a few enquiries, shall update here if I hear anything interesting

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This is what fascinates me about this hobby...the intrigue, the doubts, the debates.
Your head says its an escapee, but your heart wants it to be for real., yet you know you have to go & see it, just to satisfy your curiousity.

Was taking to a friend recently who said that he had lost interest in birding in this country, yet he's making plans to visit one of the less salubrious areas of Tameside over the weekend...just in case !


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@ James Walsh. The comparison doesn't end there, I'd bet the Bird is crap at footy too?

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PPS Due to it's liking of the football pitch, perhaps a reasonable nickname for this bird could be Theo Waldrapp

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Some more Northern Bald Ibis (NBI) facts & figures

- The IUCN (The International Union for the Conservation of Nature) list NBI as Critically Endangered

http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/106003791/0


- CITES (the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora) list NBI as Appendix I (species threatened with extinction & trade in specimens of these species is permitted only in exceptional circumstances)


PS Just for the record, I haven't got an unhealthy obsession or a job as a wildlife detective, I have to learn all this type of stuff for my University degree course

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Hi Steve,

Thanks for the info/links, interesting to hear that some of the Austrian re-introduction birds migrated north as far as Holland

However, all the footage & images of re-introduction scheme birds I've seen seem to show birds generally with 3-4 rings on



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For info on the Austrian Waldrapp-Projekt have a look at the documentary, "Return of the Waldrapp" that I made back in 2003/2004
It's in 4 parts in the "Uploaded videos" section, and also listed in the "Worldwide Conservation Issues" section.

Link is here:-

http://www.youtube.com/user/TheBaldIbis

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Un-ringed, fully-winged Northern Bald Ibis (of unknown origin), Hattersley, is elusive but favoured feeding area is the lush lower terrace field adjacent to the Ken Ward Leisure Centre, also gets on the house rooves

Directions: From M67 take j4 onto A560 south, then right onto Underwood Road, then left onto West Hattersley Road, & view the fields & rooftops adjacent to the Leisure Centre

Quality meeting Roger Baker & John Rayner, big thanks to the Leisure Centre staff for hospitality

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The Waldrapp here

The bird had taken flight about 11.00 circling infront of Werneth Low en-route to Damascus . A tractor mounted chemical sprayer was entering its favoured field at 11.30 when I left.

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Thurs July 5th. 06.45 - 07.30 hrs.

Was just beginning to think that the bird had flown when it popped its head up out of a ditch far side of the playing field (in front of a large greenhouse frame).

Harassed by a Crow and several Magpies it took off and circled a couple of times before dropping down into some rough land behind the houses.

Roger.

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I was that local who inadvertently spooked the Bald Ibis (sorry) Fortunately, I drove down fields farm road and spotted it on a roof top.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/garryshepperd/7504109250/

-- Edited by Garry442 on Thursday 5th of July 2012 09:59:03 AM

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Despite its very dubious origins, certainly a bird worth seeing and upon leaving it this evening it was perched on the apex of a house, after a local wanting a photograph flushed it. A local Crow also took exception to it!

As soon as the locals saw us arrive they were keen to tell us the bird has been present for around two weeks.

I believe there will be a piece about it in the Tameside Advertiser next week.

Just shows what can be missed on an unchecked playing field in Hattersley

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A very interesting species, looks like there are more captive birds present in zoos than there are in the wild/re-introduction programmes

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Previous UK Records for Bald Ibis on birdguides.com

Rudyard Reservoir (Staffs) 26th May 2012
Sandbach Flashes (Cheshire) 11th September 2011
Blackpool (Lancashire) 2001/2002

All listed as escapes



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