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RE: Cheesden Valley


Mon 21/3 mid morning

Dipper singing from ramp then flew up to mill
Fieldfare 13 in trees above fishing pond and flew off

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Small flock of lapwing and three curlew , one calling .

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First curlew of the year for me here. Heard briefly across deep moss towards deeply vale from the bridle path continuing from castle hill rd. Also a steady stream of skylarks from the west, approx 15 in all.



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Deep Moss . Dozens of swallows and house martins carving the air in pursuit of flys . As I walk along dozens of meadow pipits rise from the heather to join them , sometimes chasing each other . Never seen so many together , seemingly enjoying the warm conditions . An enchanting spectacle . We disturb a sparrowhawk , who flies off a short distance then returns to give me a very close inspection . I can see his eye turning . Marvellous !



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From birtle edge to Buckhurst And return via deep moss.

birtle edge.    Pair of kestrels with a youngster, swallows, meadow pipits, reed bunting juv.

valley floor past wash wheel mill, greenfinch, linnet, jay, 2x buzzard, another kestrel, Raven over

deeply vale,   Chiffchaff, willow warbler, reed bunting, common sandpiper, great black backed gull over.

deep moss had only carrion crows and gulls( herring & g b b juv) on cut fields. The whole moss is now under grass cultivation, not even any cattle, no lapwings & only 3-4 pairs of curlew, 4-5 pairs of skylark this year. Very Sad!



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From deeply vale to nabs wife.

4x calling green woodpeckers, numerous sightings of Ravens (max 4 at one time), swallows, buzzard, 2x kestrel and a sparrow hawk.

woods along valley from birtle dean to nabs wife were very quiet with only blue, great and long tailed tits, 2x linnets (over)& a treeecreeper seen.



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Had a full walk yesterday from pack horse up to Ashworth Moor rez and back down again.

The valley is one of the best places to find Green Woodpeckers in GM I think, they're always obvious with their loud calls:)

Also had a Kestrel, 2 male Pheasants, a flock of Long-tailed Tits, and four out of the five winter thrushes, just missing Redwing.



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Grey Wagtail, Pied Wagtail, Curlew, Sand Martin, Swallow Swift, Female Stonechat, Mistle Thrushes, 6 Reed Bunting, Fledged Dippers, Grasshopper Warbler, Willow Warblers, Blackcap, Common Whitethroat.



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2 pair Reed Bunting, single Wheatear, up to 10 singing Curlew  down the valley, 6 Grey Wagtails, Dipper,  2 Sand Martin, Willow Warbler Green Woodpecker, Kestrel, 8 singing Skylark, 4 Lapwing Several Pheasant



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dipper, grey wagtail, curlew, 2 singing skylarks, sparrowhawk, few meadow pipits coal tit, and that was it. 



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large flock 50+ adult and juv starlings, Dipper, Grey Wagtail, Raven, Kestrel, Reed Bunting, Lapwing, Skylark, Common Whitethroat, Willow Warbler Sand Martins, Swallow.



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Drake Goldeneye, Buzzard Kestel, Curlew, Heron, Meadow Pipits 



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Heron, Dipper, pair of Goosanders, Kestrel, single Meadow Pipit, and flock of 30 Lapwings 



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Common Whitethroat Reed Bunting 4 Swift, Swallow, 2 Dipper 4 Grey Wagtail, several Curlew 2 Wheatear, Skylark, Meadow Pipit, Kestral, Sparrowhawk, Raven, Long Tailed Tit, Goldcrest, Willow Warbler, Blackcap and 2 Fieldfare.



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No Ring Ouzel today but a little owl on a post as well as moe usuals



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Willow Warblers, Meadow Pipits, Skylarks, 3 Buzzard, Curlew Reed Bunting Bullfinch, Goldcrest, and male Ring Ouzel



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Buzzard, Kestrel, Curlew, Lapwing, Reed Bunting, Teal,  Jay, Raven, Green Woodpecker.



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4 singing skylark, Meadow Pipits, Heron, 4 Curlew, Sparrow Hawk, Goldcrest, Coal Tit, Heron, Jay 8 Lapwing Pheasant, 10 occupied nest in the Rookery at Birtle. 



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2 curlew  kestrel and bullfinch



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Upper Valley

200 Pink Footed Geese flying west

Mixed flocks of Fieldfares / Redwing Kestrel, Buzzard, 1-2 Goosanders on all lodges Dipper, Bullfinch



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Upper Valley

2 Dipper, Pair of Stonechat, Flocks of Lesser Redpoll, Willow VWarbler, Long Tailed Tits, Meadow Pipit, Greenfinch, 50 Lapwing, few Snipe, Grey Wagtail, Pied Wagtails, Jay,  Pink Footed Geese, Reed Bunting, and a Skylark



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Female Sparrowhawk, Kestrel, Meadow Pipit, 20 Rooks, 2 Linnet, Heron,  several Teal, flock of 100 Goldfinches and Reed Bunting.



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12 Rooks, Kestrel, several Goldcrest, Coal Tit, Jays, Great Spotted Woodpecker, Long Tailed Tits, Large Flock of Goldfinches Meadow Pipits, Heron, Cormorant, 100 Fieldfares and a Common Buzzard.

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very qas uite, parts of the valley not even a tweet, otherwise Peregrine betwenn Birtle and the valley, Heron, flock of long tailed tits song thrush goldfinches, In lancs around Deeply Vale and Dene 4 Goosander, back in GM huhe flock of 100 mixed rook jackdaw and carrion crow above golf course several lapwing, Birtle mill odge 70 canada goose 5 tufted duck 6 mallard more goldfinches and long tailed tits.

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In the GMc part of the valley 2 Jays, Goldcrest, Kestrel, Meadow pipits, rooks Green Woodpecker, sparrowhawk.

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Long Walk
Two Nuthatches Birtle
Herd of Curlews and Exaltation of Skylarks calling all the way up the valley
Heron
Great Spotted Woodpecker
Lots of Coal tits
A Spring of Six Teal at Deeply Vale (In Lancs)
Kestrel and a deceit of Lapwings at Deeply Deane (In Lancs)
Coming back into Birtle
Little Owl
Meadow Pipits
Flock of Linnets
Large Parliament of 20 Rooks
Large train of 50 Jackdaws
And a web site for collective nouns found sounds so much better than group

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Very cold everything covered in frost
Not much only things of note
Two flocks of bullfinches
usual tits and other finches
One dipper first seen for some time

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all in GMC

In the Valley Raven, Sparrow Hawk, Reed Bunting Long Taile Tits Bullfinch.
Back of Golf Course Rook, flock of snipe and meadow pipits
Birtle Mill Res two goosander two tufted duck

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A productive four hours spent in the Cheesden area this afternoon (tetrad SD81I).
Since the start of the Atlas 14 species had been recorded in the breeding seasons 2008-11, of which only three were confirmed.

Unless otherwise stated birds were in Rochdale.

4 Meadow Pipits carrying food
Reed Bunting - 2 singing
Kestrel
Wheatear - 16 (mainly juvs) including a family party consisting of an adult in moult and 3 juvs following it.

A juv Curlew flew up from the ground a few feet from where I was standing, struggling to get airborne. Then an adult started circling and alarm calling.
Skylark - 2
Grasshopper Warbler heard reeling
Little Owl (Rossendale)
Pied Wagtail collecting insects then fed one of two juvs (in Rossendale but the nest could have been in Rochdale!)
7 juv Swallows on fence being fed by adults (same comment as PW)

Greenfinch - male & 2 juvs (Rossendale)
3 juv Goldfinches begging to be fed by adult
Whitethroat collecting food (what looked like a moth) for 2 juvs
Willow Warbler collecting small caterpillars (unusually for this species it was not calling)

The warbler species were not present in this tetrad in 1979-83 (BBGM), so further evidence of range expansion. Possibly the highest in GM at 270 M above sea level!

So as you can see there's still time to pick up some more confirmed breeding records for the Atlas

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walk in lower half of valley from birtle past deeply vale and back into birtle, all sighting are in manchester part unless stated otherwisem

Birtle Green to valleyt Blackcap skylarks curlew willow warbler chiff chaffs swallows

in valley NO dippers seen, heron, more willow warbler, kestral carrion crows two reed bunting.

coming back into birtle flock of jackdaws gold finches, fly over rook meadow pipits more curlew skylarks and a peacock calling out of someone grounds

in lancashire heron more curlew etc

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lower valley very sunny if muddy

Nuthatch, Gold crest, 3 large flocks LT tit, 2 GS Woodpecker, Female Sparrow hawk, Buzzard, Raven, Redwings, 3 bullfinch, 12 flyover goosander heading SW.

Into Birtle
30 Fly over Fieldfare & Kestral Bullfinch

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not very much am

2 kestral
1 GSW
1 Dipper
1 Willow warbler
1 Wheatear
lots of jays
usuals

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Paul

Hope I didn't make it sound more serious than it is - I was in grumpy old man mode at the time. I will have to put one on behind the bar at the Packhorse for you to make amends.

Good Birding.

Colin



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http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Bury/Birtle/index.html

this is where i think i may have founded my misunderstanding...

sorry for the confusion.

http://www.streetmap.co.uk/idld.srf?x=382909&y=412279&z=115&tl=St+John+the+Baptist+%28CofE%29,+Birtle,+Bury&ar=Y

-- Edited by Paul Cliff on Sunday 6th of June 2010 12:15:45 PM

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Colin Ramsden wrote:

Ian McKerchar's summation of last year referred to the 'Birtle Eider' being the bird seen on the River Roch. It was cited as one of the amazing Birtle records. Now if the hamlet of Birtle stretches down to the Roch that's news to me - I don't think so.






All I can say is that it's a shame it has taken this long to be brought up then. I take the advise and opinion of the local birders as I don't know the area particularly well at all so clarification at the time would have been advantageous

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And the eider was at first in Bury before moving into Rochdale, so it was a Bury and Rochdale tick for me!wink.gif

Dave

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it had nothing to do with flash sports cars, horseboxes or snobbery, just it seems i've always been a bit rubbish at geography...

listening to colin and looking at his references he's right - heywood, rochdale is both north and south of fairfield and jericho, bury.

so strictly speaking the rose coloured starling was jericho, bury and not birtle, heywood - for the records.








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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhsmile.gif

Some touchy touchy people about. But so you should be if people are nicking records for Heywood even if they do call it monkey town.

It gets even more confusing when the name has several spellings Birtle, Bircle, Birtle Cum Bamford and Heywood.

Placename snobbery both the poshing up bit and reverse can be fun. Gee Cross in Hyde has similar problems. One chap I know tried to claim it stretched as far as Kingston Bridge on the Denton Border. That elastic snapped a long time before that.

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Ian

Whilst I am not saying that you were confused its worth bearing in mind that the area is a bit of a Bermuda Triangle. Up and over the hill from where you were and straddling the same boundary there are people citing records for Birtle - Bury, despite the fact that Birtle is in Heywood and therefore Rochdale. Reference to clear boundary signs on the main road or an A-Z, the cheapest of which clearly shows the boundaries, or even to Wikipedia, which clearly states that Birtle is in Heywood and the date from which it became part of Heywood, would clarify the matter.

This 'Triangle' effect is however contagious and in such way myths are born. Ian McKerchar's summation of last year referred to the 'Birtle Eider' being the bird seen on the River Roch. It was cited as one of the amazing Birtle records. Now if the hamlet of Birtle stretches down to the Roch that's news to me - I don't think so.

As far as 'Birtle - Bury' goes I think the Birtle residents are getting confused with postal addresses and as far as I know birds don't use these and sitings of birds are not referenced to them. Of course when you are manouvering your 4x4, flash sports car or horsebox out of the Birtle hills there's less prestige or feel good factor in thinking 'how pleasant to be in Heywood' (Monkey Town) - I suspect 'Birtle near Bury' looks better in the estate agents window as well.

These things may only matter to Heywood Monkeys like me, but I 'm damned if i am giving up Heywoods records to toffs who would rather think they are in Bury!

So perhaps if you stick to the published boundaries Ian, Birtle will revert to Heywood as well. Failing that we will rush up the and put the Boote in!


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Thats what happens with obsessional border disputes. Has started wars you know.

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Clear as mud confuse.gifbiggrin.gif

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OK I'll do my best as it is very complicted boundary area an I was walking in the bottom of the valley.

Washwheelmill area at botom of valley east of old Birtle going north
Generally if on the east of the vally in GMC in the areas seen.

Curlews
SD 84082 13462 3 flying from the Bury/Lancs Side to the Rochdale GMC side and 1 circling on rochdale side SO IN GMC
More heard both sides
SD 83593 13368 one circling Bury/lancs side so OUTSIDE GMC
Dipper Green Wood pecker flying from heather into woods both on rochdale so IN GMC
Linnits sen in valley but also in lane from OLd Birtle so IN GMC

Canada Geese were on th lodges outside GMC

two curlew Heard only Just SD 82316 15901 rochdale side of brook These would be in GMC as they came from the east side of the valley boundary 50 yards up the valley side
Dipper ETC this was outside just GMC as it was in the brook area or lane above


Sighting back down into birtle seen from lane in Lancashire for this purpose.
GMC boundary again about 100 yards west from lane in fields

started at SD 82030 14478 toSD 84082 13462
One curlew each sides of the lane circling and two flying over towards Bury GMC side
So that one outside GMC and three in GMC

Chiff Chaff Lapwing etc were seen/heard at several location so would both be in and out and flapping all about GMC

I'm aware that the Bury Rochdale boundary arounf Deply Dene is transgressed by Lancahire. I said I wasn't bothered about boundarys (!) as I find it hair splitting.
But lines have to be drawn

Hope that helps

cheers

Ian

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The county boundary runs along the Cheesden Brook. Are these records in GM or Lancs, Ian? Can't see the names of the areas on the map.

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Wash Whel Mll area
Dipper
5 curlews circling more heard
Green Woodpecker flushed from heather
Linnets
WillowWarblers
Chiff Chaff
Pied WAgtail
Canada Goose with chicks

Usuals

Lumb Car Mill area
Dipper
Skylarks
More Curlew heard
Lapwing
Meadow pipit
Pheasant
Grey Wagtails
Swallows Swifts

Back Down into Birtle
4 More curlews circling more heard
Lapwing
Meadow Pipit
skylarks
carrion crows
Linnets
Lapwing
Mallard
Moorhen

And some chaps hidden in nets shooting wood pidgeons. Not that I'm against shooting if done in a proffessional manner like these.

That could be a start of a thread

cheers

ian


-- Edited by Ian Boote on Monday 31st of May 2010 02:21:45 PM

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Greenwoodpecker Dipper linnets bullfinch Washwheel Mill area

Curlew Wheetear Swifts Swallows 4 grey wagtails pheasant lapwing Lumbcar area

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Lower Valley IE GM
Loads of willow warblers 1 blackcap 2 Green woodpeckers calling, Bullfinch
Some wheatears and mistle thrush lapwing further up not sure if in GM
Back of Walmsley golf club few linnets

Cheers

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Lower Chesden Valley
4 Curlew 2 Kestral Nuthatch chiffchaff kestrel tuften duck fly over cormerant dipper

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From Deeply Vale to Cheesden Pasture
Lot of Snow
Snipe cArrion Crow Cheesden Pasture
Carrion Crow, Kestrel, L Owl Near Cheesden lower Mill Ruins
Above Deeply Vale
Heron 18 Bullfinches and usual chaffinch Gold finches Blue Great Tits House Sparrows ETC

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Was in the lower portion from Birtle to Deeply Vale
Green, Gold, Chaffinch
Blue Geat LT Tit
Dipper Heron
Large flock of Jackdaws
I expected/hoped for a bit more

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