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RE: City Centre Peregrines


No Rob, you're not the only one...

Adrian and I had noted the same. Although, on occasions, two birds have been seen on around the CIS tower, most of the time there only appears to be one - the female...

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Am I the only person concerned at the lack of activity around the recent breeding site?

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Pair engaged in aerobatic activity around CIS tower most of today.

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Mid afternoon today, a Peregrine was riding the thermals just outside Victoria Station.

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I saw the birds mating today. Also got another spectacular and very close view of the male attacking crow.

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Both adults on view this morning in the sunshine, the male launching itself of the arndale to have a swoop at a passing crow right above my head, the male turned to have another go but the crow soon got the message biggrin
Much later as a buzzard drifted over the female was keeping a watchfull eye on it but made no attempt to waste her energy on it.

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Both adults on view this morning before my visit to Elton res, they did not seem to be bothered about the rain whilst perched out in the open !
And both seen again in lovely sunshine in the afternoon, the male with a kill.

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One seen over Portland Street around 12.45pm, fighting some strong gusts of wind.

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One zoomed low over Exchange Square towards Arndale at about 4.45 today - looked dinky, so I reckon it was the male.

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Peregrine over the River Irwell heading towards the cathedral around lunchtime.

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4 sightings of the Peregrines yesterday, including one of 2 together over the Town Hall/St.Peter's Square area.

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Have seen one perched on Town Hall clock tower a couple of times this week.

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They are starting to show an interest in nest site again, albeit low key.

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Enjoyed a 5 minute hunting display by one of the Peregrines in Piccadilly Gardens at around 1pm. Lots of Pigeon chasing, but no success as far as I could see when I lost sight of it.

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the male & female on show this afternoon, the female on the letter e of the arndale & the male on the cathedral, at 1.50pm they both flew of & lost to view, they both returned circling & gaining height, obviously hunting, the male carried on but the female gave up & went back onto the letter e of the arndale hmm the male was then lost to view.
both adults looking a little tatty in flight maybe because they are now moulting, I was watching the female perched on a ledge last weekend, as the sun was shinning on her she was preening away & lots of feathers were coming of her also when she had a shake you could see clouds of dust coming of her.
I assume the juvenile peregrines have now dispersed as I have had no sightings of them since mid august, but I have not been in the city centre as much as I should of been lately.

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One over the corner of Mancunian Way and Pollard Street this morning around 09:10am, heading East.

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Tues + Wed spent volunteering for RSPB Manchester Peregrines Date with Nature as parrt of the Dig the City event in the City Centre. (This is on every day until the 10th, on Victoria street north of Deansgate, just by the back of the Cathedral for anyone interested - lots of good kids activities with various stalls and events.)

Great views of the male on the Cathedral on Tue, with the female spending some time on the Arndale Sign. Several flypasts as well.

No sign of the female on Wed, but the male showed continually (resting, sunbathing and even having a nap - very obliging!) from app 1-4.15pm, much to the delight of several visitors. Great to meet some really enthusiastic kids, especially an 8 year old boy whose bird knowledge kept the Peregrines team on our toes! His smile really made my day when I pointed out the male peregrine I'd just spotted.

Also present (highlights) were several grey wagtails, a charm of goldfinches continually present, cormorants and grey herons by the river etc. Also someone reported two kingfishers seen flying along the river.

I was told yesterday that many of the (stunning) pictures in our 'peregrine album' were taken by Steve Burke and Adrian Dancy from this forum. These are amazing - so on behalf of the team could I just say a massive congratulations for capturing such stunning images and also a huge thank you - they are really great aids when talking to the public about these amazing birds, especially if the actual birds are not on show.smile

-- Edited by Tanmay Dixit on Thursday 7th of August 2014 10:43:07 AM

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I think I saw something similar at Dove Stones on Sunday, a juvenile and adult calling to each other as the juvenile flew around getting to grips with life in the air. There were Kestrels in the vicinity which might have been behind it all

Also should report one of the juveniles being mobbed by Lesser Black-backed Gulls around Piccadilly Station early on the 9th of this month; they get about town don't they?

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Ollie Wright wrote:

Just had a visit to Town Hall Clock Tower from two Peregrines - one of which was extremely vocal. I've always assumed that the screeching tends to come from the juvenile birds, is that so?





In my experience the juveniles do screech a lot especially when begging for food whether or not an adult is nearby. The presence of another juvenile may excite and/or prolong the behaviour. Adults will vocalise when making contact or warding off potential predators.


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Just had a visit to Town Hall Clock Tower from two Peregrines - one of which was extremely vocal. I've always assumed that the screeching tends to come from the juvenile birds, is that so?

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This afternoon, was fortunate enough to see one of the Peregrines detach itself from the Arndale and seriously go at a large gull (I assume Lesser Black-backed, but didn't have bins and was too busy watching the falcon). Fantastic to see the world's fastest creature make the gull look like a lumbering wreck - the poor thing was totally outmanoeuvred and flapped off out of the territory as soon as it could regain something like composure.

It's fantastic that we can enjoy these magnificent birds in the city centre, where they are mercifully safe from persecution.

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fantastic ariel displays from both the juveniles this aft/eve over Piccadilly gardens, they seem to have loads of confidence now, they were seen on a couple of occasions going on a chase & even having a go at the pigeons sat on the nearby rooftops, unfortunately though no signs of a kill (yet) also one of them went into a stoop from above the city tower smile
both adults were seen today having a go at the lesser black backed gulls that were getting a little to close to the juveniles.

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I always browse the gallery Mike. A lot of the shots are good 'out in the field' shots rather than mega clear close-ups, and a lot of the time that's how many observers will see the bird. You might just see a shot that matches or resembles an image of your own and that could well be the moment you realise that's the species you saw, or in what stage or plumage the bird was.
As Ian McKerchar once told me...sometimes you just won't get a true feel for the bird or the image you need from a book alone. I've learnt a lot from many of the gallery images, which in my view and no doubt many others view too...is a valuable tool for help with bird ID.
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thanks all - not looking at gallery is definitely a rookie error!

Mike

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Forgive rookie question, but what should I be looking for to identify juveniles in flight?





It can be quite tricky Mike unless you know the birds well and have followed their progress from chick like Steven, Adrian, Ian M, etc....
But one thing I've looked for in the past as a general rule with juv Peregrines as opposed to adults (if your view permits such a close up rather than silhouette, but it quite often doesn't) is that adults have horizontal barring on the breast usually of an even look, whereas the juveniles usually have vertical streaking of somewhat darker colour and not as uniform. That said though Mike, it would probably depend upon the age of the juv and at what stage of plumage it was in, so my comments are purely of a 'general' observation. Hope this is of help.
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ALSO...check the photo's in the Gallery on the main homepage, some good shots of both juv's and adults

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Wednesday 16th of July 2014 08:09:51 PM



rob you took the words right out of my mouth wink
mike, like rob says check the gallery & look at the recent shots of one of the juveniles & adult male, they should help.

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Mike Savage wrote:

Forgive rookie question, but what should I be looking for to identify juveniles in flight?





It can be quite tricky Mike unless you know the birds well and have followed their progress from chick like Steven, Adrian, Ian M, etc....
But one thing I've looked for in the past as a general rule with juv Peregrines as opposed to adults (if your view permits such a close up rather than silhouette, but it quite often doesn't) is that adults have horizontal barring on the breast usually of an even look, whereas the juveniles usually have vertical streaking of somewhat darker colour and not as uniform. That said though Mike, it would probably depend upon the age of the juv and at what stage of plumage it was in, so my comments are purely of a 'general' observation. Hope this is of help.
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ALSO...check the photo's in the Gallery on the main homepage, some good shots of both juv's and adults

-- Edited by Rob Creek on Wednesday 16th of July 2014 08:09:51 PM

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Forgive rookie question, but what should I be looking for to identify juveniles in flight?

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Both juveniles have certainly been spreading there wings over the last couple of weeks, they have had me watching them its lots of different locations, any how today just the 1 juvenile on the CIS tower at 6pm, earlier the adult male was on the town hall, no signs of the 2nd juvenile or the female. The juveniles are now landing on the letters of the arndale which is good to see

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Mike Savage wrote:

last night about 6pm I was waiting on the open area next to John Rylands Library with my daughter, where we got a great view of 2 birds wheeling over Deansgate and reflected in the plate glass of the new buildings - they were only just about roof height





That's pretty much the same spot I saw one yesterday afternoon! Maybe it's a new place to view them instead of walking all around Manchester!

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last night about 6pm I was waiting on the open area next to John Rylands Library with my daughter, where we got a great view of 2 birds wheeling over Deansgate and reflected in the plate glass of the new buildings - they were only just about roof height

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One of the peregrines (not sure if adult or one of the juveniles) screeching around the RBS building at Spinningfields. Didn't see it with a catch but a few feathers were floating down!

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Both juveniles present this morning...I'm happy to say.

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one of the juveniles perched on the town hall this evening at 8.25pm, no sign of the second juvenile. both were having a feed earlier on around 7pm.

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had a quick visit this morning between 10.30-11am, just as I arrived in the area a flock of pigeons were flying around & yes the peregrines obviously spotted them, the first peregrine to make the chase was actually one of the juveniles biggrin dad also joined in whilst mum was sat on a nearby ledge, no signs of the second juvenile though hmm both peregrines however shortly returned with nothing. shortly after that a kestrel was going over, the juvenile peregrine attempted to have a go at it but just gave up, both parents did not even bother with it either !!

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Paul Risley wrote:

just looked at Steven Burkes excellent new photo's in the gallery, the adults beak though is desperately in need of trimming. If you look at Stevens last shot of the juvenile then that will show you what approximate length the beak should be





thanks paul smile
ian actually mentioned this about the upper mandible being a little longer than normal he himself has not seen this before in raptors, its actually been like this for a few years now, yep it could do with a trim, but he seems to be doing just fine with it. it does help also to identify him if he is sat on his own.

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just looked at Steven Burkes excellent new photo's in the gallery, the adults beak though is desperately in need of trimming. If you look at Stevens last shot of the juvenile then that will show you what approximate length the beak should be


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Both juveniles doing well, in the two & a half hours watching them this morning both doing plenty of flying around & having a few tussles & with mum, also very confident landings from them on Sunday the female peregrine attacked a female kestrel, the kestrel managed to land on a nearby ledge but eventually dissapeared out of view.

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9 hours watching & photographing the peregrines today & in that time the first fledged juvenile had a feed whilst the second one had not no
I witnessed 3 ariel attacks from the adults one on a lesser black backed gull, one on a grey heron & the best one was from the male on a mink, absolutely amazing, the male then gave me the best views I have ever had of him over the years whilst he landed nearby squaking like mad biggrin

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I was with Adrian when the second juvenile fledged, whilst watching it for almost 4 hours (obviously not as long as Adrian watched them for) i managed to get some good photos, well it was close at one point biggrin i do hope it got fed before dark !

thanks again for you're help Adrian.

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I'm not sure of the time of the first fledge but the second bird fledged at 5.30pm today. The first fledged bird has had at least two meals...unfortunately the second fledgling as far as I can tell has not eaten all day.

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Looks like they may have taken flight!

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Jeff Clarke wrote:

Looking at the webcam there appear to be a large number of flies around the box - I presume that Peregrines are not tidy eaters!






Jeff that will probably just be bits of a prey carcas that is decomposing at the side of the nest site and attracting flies. I read an interesting article on the Derby Cathedral Peregrine site regarding pellets. Peregrine prey is usually too big to swallow whole so is broken up first, and often skulls, legs etc are not ingested, making the pellets less useful to those studying them than for example Owl pellets that contain whole skeletons.
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Looking at the webcam there appear to be a large number of flies around the box - I presume that Peregrines are not tidy eaters!

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Empty box.....have they fledged?!





matt, they have not fledged yet, keep a close eye on the bottom of the screen. sure it wont be long now before they do fledge, maybe this weekend !



Thanks Steve! Unfortunately, the server in the office is very slow when streaming so can't stay on it that long. Just had a check and they are back in the spotlight! Will keep a close eye on them this weekend from my much faster laptop at home!

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MJKeating wrote:

Empty box.....have they fledged?!





matt, they have not fledged yet, keep a close eye on the bottom of the screen. sure it wont be long now before they do fledge, maybe this weekend !

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Empty box.....have they fledged?!

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Mike, both juveniles were having a feed on a small bird that the parents left them at around 12.45pm they were both taking it of each other which was quite funnysmile
at least, i think, another week before they fledge.

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I missed the cam this morning but I only see one chick there now, with a very fine moustache! Does anyone know if the other chick has fledged?

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Amazing to watch these young chicks develop. When can we expect them to fledge?

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looked like a song thrush brought in at 0620 this morning.

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