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RE: South Manchester Ring-necked Parakeets


Hi Debs.

They are slightly smaller, averaging 32-36cm (40cm in Ring-necked) but look larger as do many dark birds.

My main concern for them would be cats, roosting as they do at near ground level.

Hasd I had a butterfly net I could have cauight all 3 tonight, the (deliberately I think) flew right past me!

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5 Parakeets (2 male, 3 ringless) and the Amazon on the feeders on the allotment this afternoon.
Re the Rosellas, I would mainly agree with your comment about leaving them alone unless an owner can be traced. The Amazon seems to be doing just fine and unless the Rosellas are going to suffer as a result of their new found freedom maybe they should be left alone.
Just a thought, but are they big enough not to be Sparrowhawk food? The are very bright and obvious and if they are prey sized, they may be easy pickings.
If returned to their owner would they have a good quality life and space to fly or would they be returned to a cage? Not an easy choice is it.

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The guy is genuinely concerned about their welfare and feels that they should be trapped and returned to captivity.

In fairness they look healthy and have survived that very cold spell --something they are known for in Aus, so perhaps unless the owner is traced they could be left alone?

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Was just going to post this info having just picked the Reporter off my doormat. It also mentions a meeting in Platt Fields Park today at 11am at the Lakeside Centre about their report on wildlife from the Greater Manchester Ecology unit. I would pop in but I can't.

Paul - the chap who has the Crimson Rosellas in his garden is reported as 'thinking of catching them'. But that could just be the usual journalists putting words in his mouth.

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The same photo is in the South Manchester Reporter article on the same page as the Crimson Rosellas. There is no web link to the SMR article. The MEN artical is

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1090903_pretty_parky_polly

You saw it first here folks wink.gif

-- Edited by Pete Hines at 01:25, 2009-01-17

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The birds at Platt fields have hit the headlines in the Manchester evening news tonight, there is a photo of one in a hole apparently nesting. RSPB spokesman didn't know we had them in Manchester - suprise, suprise.

Mike

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Caught up with the Crimson Rosella's on way home from work tonight - I've given them their own thread, though perhaps this one should be re-named South Manchester exotics and keep all South Manchester parrot related sightings together?

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5 R N Parakeets around the lake/ sensory garden, Platt Fields Park, at lunchtime today

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Pete,

I've lost your number too!



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Rob Smallwood wrote:

Debs/All,

I'm following up a report of three Crimson Rosellas in Whalley Range so keep your eyes peeled!

(Debs - I've lost your number - can you text me so I can re-save it? Happy New Year!)






So that's what they are. Last seen a week before xmas I believe. A chap came into work before xmas with a very poor picture on his cracked screen digital camera, all I could make out was that they were red and blue (no heads visible). We exchanged contact details, though I've heard nowt since. The feeders can be viewed from the car as they are in the front drive. I gave it ten minutes on 28th Dec and nothing visited. I does look dodgy though, like you're casing the joint or kerb crawling. smile.gif

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Debs/All,

I'm following up a report of three Crimson Rosellas in Whalley Range so keep your eyes peeled!

(Debs - I've lost your number - can you text me so I can re-save it? Happy New Year!)

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The Amazon and 3 parakeets did a flyover of the allotments this morning, but did not stop to feed. They came in from the opposite direction to Platt Fields (Withington direction), this is unusual, I wonder if they are searching round for food in a different area. They usually come in from Platt Fields, eat and head back, but not today.
Later 1 male and 1 ringless came down to the feeders.

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2, Alex Park on island, 1pm (mobbing a sparrowhawk)

at least 4, Platt Fields Park, 2pm, 3 in sensory garden, 1 (poss 2) on island

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2 R N Parakeets in Alexandra Park, 13.30 this afternoon

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I saw the Amazon for first time today in Platt Fields Park, in an ash tree near the sensory garden with a pair of Parakeets which were feeding on ash seeds. The Amazon was asleep when I left it at 14.30.

A minimum of 5 (3m & 2f) and a maximum of 8 Parakeets at PFP 14.15-15.15 (one female popped out of a cavity).

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A pair by the pond at Alexandra Park at 15.00 were later relocated on feeders across the road at Alexandra Park House, 28 Alexandra Road South (viewed from inside the Park).

-- Edited by Pete Hines at 18:58, 2008-12-28

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2.30pm - 3pm 5 males, 2 ringless and the Amazon. Feeding and then basking in the sunshine and preening before heading off in the direction of Platt Fields. No sign of African Grey, but I'm looking out for it.

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Debs,
I think your attitude is the right one, there has to be exceptions of course but birds are ment to be free. Keep up with the catering.
cheers
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You know what, I've been asking myself that same question for some time now. When I first saw the Amazon and concluded that it was someones lost pet I immediately wanted to do all I could to reunite it with its owners. I can imagine somebody being very upset at not knowing how or where there bird is and at first I assumed (AMAZON - hot, Manchester - I don't think so) that it would not survive, and capture was its only chance.
However now it is a free living bird, doing what birds are meant to do and to be honest if it landed on my hand tomorrow I'm not sure that I could bring myself to catch it and hand it in (not even to Paul who sounds like a very nice chap!).
Although I love animals and end up with all manner of unwanted pets and strays, I am not really convinced about the whole pet thing. Birds in cages do not sit right with me and although I don't for one minute think that wild birds have it easy, I think that if it can survive outside and be free I'd let it. I know there are complications with ferral breeding populations, culls and other such issues and it can all get very difficult, but for now I am going to the allotment every 2 days to fill up 9 feeders so the hungry parakeets and parrot(s) can have a reliable source of food.

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you should ask the parrot! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

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The African Grey is known to me and is leading me a merry dance have been trying to catch him now for over two weeks, thanks for the latest sighting he has moved from didsbury side of town over the last few days.

keep chasing parrots its my job you know great isn,t biggrin.gif

As an afterthought it is obvious that the ringed necks escaped and can survive, and after the last few days of bad weather the Amazon and African grey can survive as well, what do we do leave them or catch them?

Keep birding

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'Pat from Platt' tells me that the parakeets had two different parrots amongst them in the council compound at Platt Fields Park this afternoon, a grey one and a green one with a yellow face. An African Grey and the Amazon ?.

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I think I have seen them around the buildings in Whitworth Park late on in the day..

Glad to hear that the Amazon and Junior are still about Debs.

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6 over Parkfield Street, Rusholme this morning at 9.05am headed S to Platt Fields. On their course I'd say they'd come from Whitworth Park.

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2.40pm The Amazon Parrot and 8 parakeets were already on the feeders when I arrived at the allotment. 4 males, 3 ringless one of whom was a juvenile (Junior is still around Rob). I couldn't tell about the 8th one as they were moving about too much. They left just before 3pm and flew off in the direction of Platt Fields. I haven't seen the Amazon for three weeks, nor the juvenile for a while either. It made my day biggrin.gif


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Tim
Your parakeets could be the group which left the allotment at 3.30pm (4 males, 2 ringless) and for the first time in months I did not see the Amazon. Very interesting thoughts about their instant silence. May be the birds which I looked for in the park on Thursday evening were there all the time, like you said, they can just disappear in to a tree.
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Went to Platt Fields at 3.40 and found 4 birds - incl. 2 males in a Beech Tree on the Nico Dyke path. Settled down to keep an eye on them by a nearby tree. Much calling then a brief flurry of activity at about 3.50 as another bird called from the hedge at the side of the orchard then another behind me towards the keeper's house/compound area. At least 4 flew back into the Beech tree then all of a sudden at 4.00pm there was no more noise. But I couldn't see them in the foliage either. It was as if they had disappeared but I'm convinced they did not fly off. I stayed around till about 4.30 and there was no further sign and no other birds arrived or were elsewhere in the park. Still did not see the Amazon.

Here's a speculative thought - in their natural wild habitiat they live much closer to the equater where sundown is rapid so there is a need to roost very quickly unlike our birds which gradually die down and settle in for the night still making calls near dark.

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a pair in Alex Park at 15.00 flew out south

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3.10pm Amazon with 6 parakeets already on the feeders at allotment when I arrived. (4 male 2 female / ringless). Then ate apples for a while. A lot of calling and squawking amongst the group. I could hear another bird in the far distance calling back. 3.30 another 1 or 2 flew in. They all gathered and were generally hanging out (pre-roosting?)in a big horse chestnut tree and being very vocal for about 15 minutes.
8 parakeets and the Amazon all flew off together at 3.50pm heading in the direction of Platt Fields or even Alex Park. Got on my bike went straight to Platt Fields. Could not see or hear them. If they were making the same amount of noise as they were at the allotment I would have found them, but if they are quiet, even 8 and a big green parrot can just disappear into a tree and there are a lot of trees in Platt Fields!
p.s. my other half has just phone me as I am typing this and said the saw 3 or 4 flying out of Platt Fields at 8.45 this morning.

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4.15 - 4.55pm after chasing imaginary Waxwings in Hulme having left work at the very earliest opportunity I rode around Whitworth Park and up and down Denmark Street till it was defintiely gone roosting time. Must have spent at least 25 mins in Whitworth Park. Unless they all shut up immediatley when the street lights go on (which I very much doubt) then they are not roosting either in WP or at the primary school.

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Amazons can show red in the wing - a feature I completely forgot to look for when photographing Deb's bird last month.

I'll check my photos to see if I got a wing shot - but I don't think that I did.

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This is a very very long shot but...during my second round of attempts to find the owner of the Amazon, I contacted the RSPCA again at the start of August. My contact details were given to the owner of a lost Alexandrine from Manchester. He got in touch with me thinking that the "parrot" which I had seen may be his lost bird??? Could the bird which Pete saw be another escaped pet which has tagged along with the ring necks? The Amazon has integrated so well with them I could easily see how other birds could join them.

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There's something I completely forgot to add on the my last post. When the six parakeets were seen in flight, there was a parakeet clearly larger than the other five showing deep crimson/maroon patches on the upper forewings/shoulders. If this is Robs Alexandrine, posted 9th July, it's grown a tail and where has it been all this time ?. With views being poor and brief, it increases the impetus to find the communal roost site (in trees). Certainly worth giving the birds more scrutiny and it there would appear to be more than one group. Literature (Grimmett, Inskipp & Inskipp 1998) states that communal roosts of Alexandrines are 'usually not with other species'; maybe there is an exception with a lone individual ?. I've seen stacks of Alexandrines in India & Nepal over the years although the last time was ten years ago !

The nights are drawing in now. I visited Alex Park again today 16.05-16.20 and nothing. Will have to arrive earlier on a day off work.

Also of interest, the hornbeam in Chorlton Park, favoured by the Parakeets last autumn has not set seed this year, hence no Parakeets there.

-- Edited by Pete Hines at 20:19, 2008-11-04

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That's very interesting. I have been wondering if maybe we have two main groups of 5 or 6 birds which link up at time but do different feeding circuits at other times. I often get 5 or 6 parakeets with the Amazon, but some times get groups of parakeets on their own and then a while later another group arrives (or some of the same ones return - I can't tell) with the Amazon. That's why I keep asking if the Amazon is with the parakeets which people see. There have only been a couple of occasions when I have had big groups of 8 or 9 parakeets all together and even when Rob and I had the big group last month, they did arrive in 2 batches.
Do we assume that they get together to roost? Do birds always roost in the same place or have several roosts? Will they definitely roost in trees or would they roost on buildings?
The African Grey is a bit of a bolt out of the blue. Paul Heaton did say that there were a number of escapes in Manchester when he posted on this thread in the summer, so maybe the parakeets have a big grey friend as well as a green one or may be the African Grey is in fact the Amazon. It would be really interesting to sit at the allotment from dawn until dusk and log all the comings and goings to the feeders. Maybe one day?

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Maybe here's a clue ?. Alexandra Park, Whalley Range, today 16.10-16.18

6 Ring-necked Parakeets by the pond contained 3 adult males, the others I only saw in flight, no Amazon or African Grey. All flew in the direction of Whitworth Park at 16.18

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Debs

No still not seen the Amazon

Pete

So presumably the bats I had yesterday in Platt Fields at sundwon were also Pipistrelle

2 days running I'm pretty sure the birds are no longer roosting in Platt Fields. When they flew off from Denmark Road it was already getting dark and they were moving in the worng direction.

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I had a report from council worker 'Pat from Platt', late last night, that Parakeets roost together in tress within the works compound, arriving between 16.00-17.00, containing up to 11 Parakeets and an African Grey. So I went to check it out today:

15.45-17.-00 and nothing!
1 Gt/sp Woodpecker
1 Pipistrelle Bat

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Tim was the Amazon parrot with this group?


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A group of 5 eating some sort of crab apple in the grounds of Webster Primary School junction of Denmark Road and Lloyd St. Flew off W towards Hulme at 4.15pm. This is where I'd heard them early morning previously so it must be a stopping off first and last feeding station. None in Whitworth Park and none in Platt Fields a few minutes earlier. so where were the rest?

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4 males, 2 female / ringless and the Amazon feeding at the allotment at about 4ish. 4 left together, followed by 2 about 5 minutes after and the Amazon stayed on its own and left after another 5 minutes. The all flew in the direction of Platt Fields - so I don't know where they ended up. Looks like if Rob wants to do a roost hunt and a count, we could do with getting mobile numbers and calling in when we see them go. I'll be honest I don't fancy walking through in the park on my own. They are visiting the allotment and leaving much earlier now that the days are shorter, 3pm - 4pm is quite usual.

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Just spent the last hour through dusk until it got too dark and there was no sign of the Parakeets coming in to roost so they must be somewhere else. Other sightings on the Platt Fields thread

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1 male at Platt Fields Park sensory garden at 14.00, very vocal and obliging.

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Unless anthing unexpected happens, I should be at the allotment Sat pm and may well be able to come along to Platt Fields as the parakeets leave the allotment.

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Can't do this Saturday, Sunday an outside chance...watch this space!

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Saturday good for me to join in I can be there in seconds from my house. Unfortunately it's dark by the time I leave the office nowcry.gif

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Hey Rob
We've got kayaks!
How's your paddling? smile.gif
Debs

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Nick Godden wrote:

We've often been to Platt Fields Park just before dark and they always roost on the island of the lake with the magpies. What does the roost hunt involve?, we'd be happy to help!






Hi Nick,

Whenever I've been they seem to have left the park at dusk - but maybe they are just looping around back to the island.

Would make life easier if they were.

I really only want to find the roost to try and get an accurate count, which won't be easy even if it is on the island unless we can train them to line up on one branch!

I'll take a look one night this week(end), if I know in advance when I'll post here and anyone who wants to can join me - satefy in numbers...!



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less work, more birding, mr!!!



You obviously haven't met my boss!



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We've often been to Platt Fields Park just before dark and they always roost on the island of the lake with the magpies. What does the roost hunt involve?, we'd be happy to help!

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I haven't forgotten about the roost hunt - just been busy recently - glad to see junior is still around...






less work, more birding, mr!!! biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

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