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3 Crossbill at Lead Mines Clough this morning

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Hopefully this is the right place for this - its the nearest I can see anyway.

Posted on twitter today - c350 Crossbills at the North end of Lead Mines Clough today.

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Impressive views from the dam of an Osprey fishing over the water at 0845 today, and being harassed by several gulls. On the third pass, it caught something (in the area roughly below the Anglezarke car park) and flew off northwards, presumably looking for a suitable place to perch and eat.

We were on a walk, so no further views of the reservoir until we got back to the dam at 12.15 - nothing to see at that stage up until about 12.30.

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In an effort to help sort out my stiff neck - I did this walk without any binoculars or rucksack!

Upper Rivington Reservoir - Yarrow Reservoir - Anglezarke Reservoir - White Coppice - and return via reservoir on other side

My 'Naked eye watch' produced:

Kingfisher x 1 (flying across White Coppice cricket field towards Black Brook)
Curlew x 1
Great Crested Grebe x 5
Grey Heron x 2
Swift x 7
Swallow x 30
House Martin x 10
Lapwing x 1
Goldfinch x 4
Starling x 30
House Sparrow x 2
Cormorant x 1
Tufted Duck x 1
Canada Goose x 25
Swan x 2 adults (plus 5 cygnets)
Wren x 5
Robin x 1
Black-Headed Gull x 40
Lesser Black-Backed Gull x 2
Carrion Crow x 10
Blackbird x 4
Woodpigeon x 30

No sign of Spotted Flycatcher at Watermans Cottage

Buzzard seen near Junction 13 of M60

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09.00-12.00

A last attempt to find Redstart or Spotted Flycatcher as the breeding season closes for 2018. Sadly I could neither.

Plenty of yellow faced Blue Tits around though, many still being fed by parents.

At Lead Mines Clough 2 adult and 3 juvenile Grey Wagtails were by the almost dried up River Yarrow.

A female Mallard led her brood of 3 half grown ducklings and 2 Curlew called loudly as they circled above the woodland.

3 juvenile Black Headed Gulls were with a couple of adults and a pair of Lapwings on the scrape by Yarrow Reservoir.

The Southern end of Anglezarke Reservoir was devoid of birds apart from a single Great Crested Grebe.

A couple of Oystercatchers, a Lapwing and a Grey Heron were at the Northern end.

A thorough scan through the large oaks and ashes near Watermans Cottage produced a few more Blue Tit families but little else.

A Robin was still in full song here, Chaffinches and Wrens managed a few notes too.

At least the cooler weather and light rain kept horseflies at bay, mosquitoes were still biting though.




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09.00-14.00

Covered the area from Lead Mines Clough to Watermans Cottage and the North side of Anglezarke Reservoir.

At one point on the walk a female Pied Flycatcher was frantically snatching insects from the leaves of a large oak,

whilst nearby a Wood Warbler was heard trilling, but alas I could'nt locate the bird.

No sign of Redstart or Spotted Flycatcher.

Lead Mines Clough : 1 Dipper, 2 Ravens and 2 Nuthatches.

Watermans Cottage area : 2 Mistle Thrushes, 2 Nuthatches, a pair Great Crested Grebes and a melanistic cock Pheasant.

Chaffinches, Robins, Wrens, Song Thrushes, Willow Warblers and Blackcaps were still singing.

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Lead Mines Clough :

1 Chiffchaff (Only summer migrant found throughout), 2 Buzzards, 1 Dipper and a pair of Coal Tits.

1m Goosander on Yarrow Reservoir.

Anglezarke Reservoir & Adjoining Woodland :

4 Oystercatctchers, 2 Curlew, 3 Buzzards, 12 Tufted Ducks, 1 Treecreeper, 4 Ravens, 1 Kestrel and 1 Great Crested Grebe.

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Today, a Buzzard and Kestrel over Anglezarke and 14 Goosander on the adjacent Yarrow Res.

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(09.00-13.30)

Lead Mines Clough

2m+1f Redstarts, 4 Nuthatches and 2 Treecreepers. Also, a family of Coal Tits with 2 fledged young being fed by their parents.

Watermans Cottage

2 Nuthatches and lots of Chaffinches etc, in the woodland by the reservoir but no sign of any flycatchers of either species.

A single Great Crested Grebe was on the reservoir, which is surprisingly full after a dry spring.

White Coppice

1 Kestrel, 2 Nuthatches (They appear to be plentiful around here), 3 Ravens and 1 Curlew.

( Is this going to be a bad year for Pied Flycatchers, I could'nt find any in areas where I could easily do so in previous years, and I struggled to find

a single male in Macclesfield Forest/Teggs Nose a few weeks ago?.)

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May Bank Holiday Monday, 29th May 2017: 10:15 - 15:30 hrs.

Walk from Upper Rivington Reservoir - Yarrow Reservoir - Lead Mines Clough - Anglezarke Reservoir (passing by High Bullough Reservoir) - Watermans Cottage - White Coppice cricket ground - and return.

Redstart x 1 stunning male (Lead Mines Clough)
Spotted Flycatcher x 1 (Watermans Cottage)
Whitethroat x 1
Willow Warbler x 5
Chiffchaff x 1
Greenfinch x 1
Buzzard x 5
Kestrel x 4
Jay x 1
Oystercatcher x 1
Lapwing x 1
Meadow Pit x 2
Moorhen x 1
Grey Heron x 2
Grey Wagtail x 3
Pied Wagtail x 3
House Sparrow x 1
Mistle Thrush x 1
Greylag Geese x 4
Canada Geese x 12
House Martin x 20
Swallow x 10
Swift x 4
Lesser Black-Backed Gull x 3
Black-Headed Gull x 20
Cormorant x 2
Goldfinch x 5
Wren x 3
Dunnock x 1
Chaffinch x 7
Great Tit x 4
Blackbird x 3
Robin x 3
Collared Dove x 1
Mallard x 10
Magpie x 3
Carrion Crow x 40
Jackdaw x 1
Male Pheasant x 1


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Easter Monday, 17th April 2017: 10:15 - 15:00 hrs.

After yesterday's washout it was good to get the bins out and get my lungs full of fresh air!

Walk from north side of Upper Rivington Reservoir - Yarrow Reservoir - Anglezarke Reservoir - White Coppice cricket ground - and return via south side.

Willow Warbler x 10
Chiffchaff x 3
Swallow x 4
Dipper x 1
Curlew x 3
Lapwing x 7
Oystercatcher x 4
Great Crested Grebe x 3
Pied Wagtail x 1
Nuthatch x 3
Jay x 2
House Sparrow x 2
Long Tailed Tit x 2
Goldfinch x 3
Tufted Duck x 8
Mallard x 15
Canada Geese x 3
Greylag Geese x 11
Wren x 5
Dunnock x 1
Coal Tit x 2
Robin x 5
Blue Tit x 3
Great Tit x 4
Chaffinch x 7
Blackbird x 5
Magpie x 4
Carrion Crow x 30
Jackdaw x 1
Black Headed Gull x 30
Herring Gull x 1
Woodpigeon x 10
Moorhen x 2
Cormorant x 3
Coot x 2
Pheasant x 1

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Early this pm:
Two Buzzards soaring, seen from Long Lane as I cycled and looked towards Back Lane and Anglezarke Reservoir.

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18 Curlew north of Yarrow reservoir today

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Tuesday, 27th December 2016: 11:00 - 15:00 hrs.

Walked southside of Upper Rivington Reservoir - Angelzarke Reservoir - White Coppice - and return northside via Yarrow Reservoir.

Redwing x 15
Goldeneye x 4 (2M and 2F)
Goosander x 1
Nuthatch x 1
Jay x 4
Mistle Thrush x 1
House Sparrow x 1
Long Tailed Tit x 3
Goldfinch x 5
Mallards x 15
Canada Geese x 2
Wren x 1
Dunnock x 1
Coal Tit x 1
Robin x 7
Blue Tit x 3
Great Tit x 4
Chaffinch x 2
Blackbird x 8
Magpie x 4
Carrion Crow x 30
Rook x 20
Jackdaw x 15
Black Headed Gulls x 50
Lesser Black-Backed Gull x 2
Woodpigeon x 4
Moorhen x 1
Cormorant x 2
Mute Swan x 1
Kestrel x 1 (on way home by side of M61)


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Quick walk from Anglezarke Reservoir to White Coppice and back. Highlights;

Cuckoo - 1 flew over the sheep field at top end of the reservoir.
Redpoll - displaying - further up the valley towards White Coppice.
Plenty of willow warblers

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Saturday, 23rd April 2016: 12:45 - 16:30 hrs.

Walked from Great Barn - Upper Rivington Reservoir - Angelzarke Reservoir - White Coppice - and return from other side.

Conditions: Sunny with 'nip in the air' - perfect walking and birding weather.

White Pheasant x 1 (first one I have seen - apparently they are leucistic / albino birds)
Male Pheasant x 3
Blackcap (1M and 1F)
Willow Warbler x 2 (seen); and lot more heard
Swallow x 3
Curlew x 3
Oystercatcher x 4 (1 sat on nest)
Buzzard x 2
Tree Sparrow x 1
Meadow Pipit x 2
Skylark x 1
Mistle Thrush x 2
Greylag Geese x 14
Mallards x 8
Canada Geese x 10
Wren x 1
Grey Heron x 1
Dunnock x 2
Robin x 5
Blue Tits x 8
Great Tits x 2
Chaffinch x 8
Blackbird x 5
Magpies x 4
Carrion Crow x 20
Black Headed Gulls x 30
Muscovy Duck x 1
Woodpigeon x 20
Feral Pigeon x 4
Moorhen x 2
Coot x 2
Tufted Duck x 3


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Saturday, 5th March 2016: 12:45 - 17:00 hrs.

Walked from Lower House Car Park - 'Pigeon Tower' - Great Hill - White Coppice - Angelzarke Reservoir - Upper Rivington Reservoir - and return via Great Barn.

Great to see work being done to put large stone slabs on boggy parts of walk up to Great Hill. Good deal of work completed - some outstanding work still to be done.

Raven x 2
Oystercatcher x 4
Goosander x 1
Goldeneye x 3
Kestrel x 3
Buzzard x 1
Mallards x 10
Canada Geese x 15
Robin x 3
Blue Tits x 4
Great Tits x 1
Blackbird x 3
Magpies x 10
Carrion Crow x 20
Chaffinch x 3
Black Headed Gulls x 50
Cormorant x 1
Mute Swan x 2
Pheasant x 1
Woodpigeon x 7
Moorhen x 2




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Saturday, 20th February 2016: 13:00 - 16:30 hrs.

Walked from Great Barn - Upper Rivington Reservoir - Angelzarke Reservoir - White Coppice - and return from other side.

Conditions: Rain until approximately 16:00 hrs. Got wet through - but enjoyed it enormously. Had to get out of central heated house to get some fresh air in my lungs and do some birding!

Goldcrest x 2
Goosander x 2 (1M and 1F) - on Angelzarke Reservoir
Goldeneye x 4 (1M and 3F) - High Bullough Reservoir
Kestrel x 1
Buzzard x 1
Mistle Thrush x 3
Long Tailed Tit x 2
Mallards x 30
Canada Geese x 20
Robin x 8
Blue Tits x 9
Great Tits x 5
Blackbird x 7
Magpies x 10
Carrion Crow x 30
Rook x 5
Chaffinch x 1
Black Headed Gulls x 100
Lesser Black Backed Gulls x 5
Cormorant x 1
Mute Swan x 4
Female Pheasant x 1
Woodpigeon x 5
Feral Pigeon x 10
Moorhen x 4
Coot x 3



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10.30-14.00

Anglezarke Reservoir

3m Goosanders, 3 Shoveler, 10 Canada Geese and 60+ Mallard.

Sadly, I did'nt get the chance to scan properly through the Black Headed and Common Gulls which were not only massed at the Knowsley Lane end but on floods in surrounding pastures.

The surrounding woodland appeared to be eerily birdless, with just one flock of 10 Long Tailed Tits and a single Nuthatch.

Singles of Blue Tit and Robin was all I could find in the woods around High Bullough reservoir, where 3 Tufted Ducks were on the water.

In previous winters, when there as been a good crop of nuts, these areas of mature Beech have been teeming with Chaffinches and Bramblings.



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The great white egret was still at Upper Rivington Reservoir on Sunday 4 October at lunchtime. Also seen: 2 grey heron 1 nuthatch 2 blue tit 2 great tit 1 great black backed gull 3 jay 24 swallow 18 startling 5 pied wagtail A number of magpie, carrion crow and jackdaw

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Great White Egret on Upper Rivington Reservoir 10.30 am today

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The Great White Egret was again on Anglezarke Reservoir this evening before moving onto Upper Rivington Reservoir where it was showing well at 6.45 pm.

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There has been a Great White Egret at north end of Anglezarke Reservoir for last couple of days.

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Saturday, 18th April 2015: 12:30 - 16:30 hrs.

Walked from Great Barn - Upper Rivington Reservoir - Angelzarke Reservoir - White Coppice - and return from other side.

Conditions: Sunny, dry with cold 'nip' in the air - perfect walking conditions.

Willow Warbler x 3
Swallows x 3
Lapwings x 7
Coal Tit
Kestrel
Nuthatch
Pied Wagtails x3
Long Tailed Tits
Greylag Geese x 7
Mallards
Canada Geese x 5
Blue Tits x 10
Great Tits x 8
Magpies
Blackbirds
Black Headed Gulls x lots
Lesser Black Backed Gulls x 5
Chaffinch x 4
Dunnock
Carrion Crows
Great Crested Grebe x 1
Cormorant x 1
Jay x 1
Goldfinch x 2
Oystercatchers x 4
Mute Swan
Tufted Ducks x 7
Curlew x 2
Male Pheasant x 1
Mistle Thrush
Robin x 7
Woodpigeon
Feral Pigeon







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Walked from Joan Meadow Wood to White Coppice along the edge of the moor,then followed Black Brook onto the moor, and back across the moor to Moor Road.

5 Ravens were displaying above the high moor, also seen were 3 Kestrels, 1 Buzzard, a pair of Red Grouse and 4 singing Skylarks.

Not a single Meadow Pipit seen throughout, and no sign of either Dipper or Grey Wagtail on Black Brook.

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12.00-15.00

Anglezarke Reservoir

1m+2f Goosanders, 3 Cormorants, 1 Grey Wagtail & 2 Kestrels

A single drake Mandarin within a group of 86 Mallard.

Apart from the usual Black Headed there 4 Common, 7 Lesser Black Backed and a single Great Black Backed Gull.

Woodland

2 Nuthatches, 2 Bullfinches and 1 Buzzard.

4 Goldcrests were within a large mixed tit flock.

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Watermans Cottage area.

Early Evening

A pair of Spotted Flycatchers in the oak woods.

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Waterman's Cottage to High Bullough 8.00-10.00

Spotted Flycatcher on cottage roof
Raven mobbed by Black-headed Gulls as it flew over HB Res
Wood Warbler calling and showing briefly as it flittered through the canopy
Treecreeper carrying food
Garden Warbler
Lots of young Blackbirds / Robins / Blue Tits
14 Canada Geese with 3 goslings
Oystercatcher

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Anglezarke to White Coppice n Back with Wigan RSPB group

3 Garden Warblers,
1 Bullfinch,
3 Raven over,
2 Redstarts seen at least 3 heard,
1 Cuckoo,
6+ Lesser Redpolls,
4 Oystercatchers,
Treecreeper taking food to nest site
Also seen
Willow Warblers
Blackcaps
Long Tailed Tits
Chiffchaff
Black Headed Gulls
Blackbird
Mistle Thrush
Buzzard
Wren going to nest site
Grey Wagtail

Didn't find the Wood Warblers but then again we might not have walked in the area that they are.

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09.00-12.00

High Bullough-Watermans Cottage

Could'nt locate Wood Warbler or any flycatchers.

2 near fledged Tawny Owlets, looked like they'd been knitted not grown, did'nt view for long as Tawny parents can get nasty.

2 Nuthatches, 2 Treecreepers, a pair of displaying Ravens and on the reservoir a single Great Crested Grebe.

8 Swallows swooped low over High Bullough Reservoir.

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Yarrow Reservoir/Lead Mines Clough/Watermans Cottage (AM)

2 male Redstarts (Chasing each other around), 1 Treecreeper & 5 Oystercatchers.

1 Roebuck.

A real abundance of Great Tits, almost every tree seemed to hold a pair, Blue Tits too, will there be any vacant nestboxes left when our little migrant friends arrive back?.

Chaffinches & Wiillow Warblers also plentiful.

A very early Spotted Flycatcher was reported near the Watermans Cottage, although I could'nt find any flycatchers anywhere, maybe it's still too early?.



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Today with Wigan RSPB Mid- Week Group.
No rain; dull am but bright pm.

Group Sightings:

Brambling....60+ in 2 flocks feeding on Beech mast around the Woodland Trails. Flighty.
Chaffinch...45 ......one flock of c25. on Beech mast.
Bullfinch...4
Goldfinch...1
Tits.... numerous small flocks of Great Tit, Blue Tit, Coal Tit, and Long-tailed Tit , often ground feeding.
Goldcrest....3
Treecreeper....4
Nuthatch....5
Great Spotted Woodpecker...2
Winter Thrushes.... 11 Fieldfare and 1 Redwing in a tree. Also 6 Fieldfare
and c20 Redwing over.
Mistle Thrush...2
Lapwing...4
Jay...1
Numerous Robins and a few Blackbird.
Plus Carrion Crow and Wood pigeon.

On the reservoirs:
Anglezarke:
Cormorants...2
Canada Goose c50 with....
Pink-footed Goose...1
Greylag....1
Mallards...c50
Lesser Black-backed Gull...1
Common Gull...2
Herring Gull...1
High Bullough...nothing.

Also 6 Roe Deer. Two of which were seen in cover by our lunch stop.




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Wood Warbler still present at 7 p.m., also Spotted Fly same area.

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Wood Warbler showing well below High Bullough Res @ 8.00 Also Spotted Flycatcher at Watermans Cottage 2 Treecreeper 4 Nuthatch

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Lead Mines Clough 08.00-30

1 Grey Wagtail.

Yarriow Reservoir

1 Oystercatcher

Anglesarke reservoir 09.15

1 Osprey mobbed by 2 crows & a BH Gull, raptor flew off towards Rivington

Reservoir.

White Coppice 09.40-11.30

4 Wheatear in old quarry

1 Cuckoo ( mobbed persistantly by pipits) 1 Tree Pipit & 1 Redstart (m)

along moorland edge towards Brinscall. 1 Roebuck.

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I didn't see much at all in this area today, but the highlight was the feeding station on the Alance Bridge in the NW corner of the Yarrow Reservoir. Here I got close up views of a Nuthatch, a Coal Tit and many Great Tits, Blue Tits and Chaffinches.

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4th February, 11am, walking from White Coppice along The Goit
towards Brinscall, 3 Dippers seen together. (Bolton CHA Rambling Club walk)

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This pm with Wigan RSPB.
Lunch in Anglezarke car park followed by Janet's excellent home made cake, then a walk along the trails by Higher Bullough and Anglezarke reservoirs.
Sitings :
Buzzard.... 3
Fieldfare/Redwing mixed flock (45/25)... 70 total...flying SE
Nuthatch....1
Long Tail Tit flock .... 9 with...1 Great Tit
Tufted Duck 4
Cormorants...10
Wren 1
BH Gulls/ Mallards.

Sitings a bit thin but all very pleasant.


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A fairly long ramble from the car park near Rivington and Blackrod High School
to White Coppice and back . Circuiting Most of the resovoirs and using the new bridleway into White Coppice.
1 Goldeneye (f).....High Bullogh
2 Pochard (m).....Anglezarke
1 Tufted duck (m)......Upper Rivington
60 Mallards
200 Bh Gulls
18 Lbb Gulls
2 Ravens doing aerobatics over Black Coppice.
2 flocks LT tits
Quite a few Crows,Blackbirds,Robins,Magpies and Wood pigeons.
a few Blue tit and 2 Gt. tit.
More single birds seen .......
Jay
Wren
Nuthatch
Song Thrush
Chaffinch
and the Peacock
In total ...not a lot for 12 miles !


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4/7/10 (07:45 - 10:50)

Full circuit of the reservoir produced the following:

2 Buzzard (1 over Nab Hill, 1 over High Bullough Res)
1 Treecreeper
1 Kestrel
2 Great Crested Grebe (southern end)
2 Tufted Duck, both males (High Bullough Res)
1 Great Spotted Woodpecker
1 Cormorant
1 Grey Heron
c100 Canada Geese
1 Meadow Pipit
12 Goldfinch (inc juvs)
5 Collared Dove
plenty of Great Tit & Blue Tit juveniles

1 Peacock at Warings Farm...

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Originally posted by Paul Risley, 03.06.10:

3 Hours over the moor and round the Plantations

7 Ravens
1 Kestrel
2 Curlews
A few M pipits and juvs of Great, Blue and Coal tits
plucked remains of male Bullfinch, poss Sparrowhawk kill



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a walk with local rspb group today birds included
3 garden warbler
spotted flycatcher
pied flycatcher
common sandpiper
2 g c grebe
2 buzzards
1 raven
1 red shank
cracking views of a wood warbler biggrin.gifwhich made up for missing g w e cry.gifat pennington
all in all a cracking day out
sorry this should be in out of county birding confused.gif

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NICE WALK AROUND THE RESI THIS MORNING MANY BIRDS ABOUT MAINLY WILLOW WARBLERS,TITS,MIPITS AND SKYLARKS.ALSO 2 LINNET AND SEVERAL CHAFFINCH,GREENFINCH AND GOLDFINCH.
COMMON SANDPIPER FEEDING ALONG EDGE OF WATER ALONG WITH TWO PIED WAGS.
SWALLOWS, USUALLY AROUND THE FARMS ALONG THE WAY.
ON THE WATER 4 GREAT CRESTED GREBE,4 CANADAS,8 MALLARD AND 6 BLACK BACKED GULL.
8 CROWS ON TOP OF QUARRY,1 BUZZARD AND 1 KESTREL.

HIGHLIGHT WAS THE PICNIC PROVIDED BY MRS Gbiggrin.gif

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The BTO are a law unto themselves, as we all know!

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Thanks Judith.
 
It will be good to get some definitive boundaries, but I bet the BTO doesn't adopt them - apart from the Wetland Bird Survey of course!

Yours inconsistently, Steve

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Let me sort all this problem of ornithological boundaries out for everyone, seeing that I am the joint artist (?) - maybe it should be cartographer? - of a definitive map of ornithological boundaries in the UK, to be published very shortly in British Birds - although let me say straight away that David Ballance has done all the real work. Hopefully this will be used for all reports (eg Scarce Migrants, RBBP, BBRC) in future.
Back in 1974, there was a major reorganisation of local authority boundaries following the Redclyffe-Maude report. In England, 6 Metropolitan counties were formed, and in the NW these were Merseyside and Greater Manchester. GM's consisted of 10 Metropolitan Borough Councils, which subsumed all the previous County Boroughs, Urban and Rural District Councils and Municipal Boroughs in the area. This inevitably meant some shire county boundaries were altered slightly - so that all the new MBCs were roughly the same size in population terms. Anyone in local government who worked at that time knows just how difficult it was. As a librarian I had to amalgamate card catalogues from 3 different library authorities - no computers in those days!
The birding community took a bit longer to sort themsleves out. There was a conference held (I think in 1975) where everyone sorted themselves out. Peter Wolstenholme was I believe the representative for this area, and GM became an ornithological recording area. Merseyside didn't, I don't know why, and was split up between the new Lancs and the new Cheshire.  Then, in 1986, a change of government meant that the metro counties, which had various functions such as Planning which the metro boroughs didn't, were done away with, and these powers devolved to MBC level. But legally, the metro counties still exist (Lord Lieutenants etc). And various quangos have had to be formed to administer things like ecology, archaeology, geology as it isn't economic for each borough to have people just for these things.
There will be an article shortly in BB by David replying to the first letter Steve refers to - basically Watsonian VCs are a non-starter if not used since the 1976 reorganisation. End of space!!



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Since Ian (the Boss) says the banter is OK, I guess I can add my "two-pennorth" as we say here in Yorkshire! Yes, part of "God's own county" has been coerced into Greater Manchester - not only Saddleworth but part of Mossley (including my house) was in Yorkshire when the Watsonian vice-county system for wildlife recording was started.

Seriously, there seems to be a campaign (I think I've seen letters in "British Birds" recently) to go back to the vice-county system. Botanists still seem to use it (it makes sense when comparing historical data) and the GM County database has a column for entering the vice-county.

I suppose it depends where you live as to which system you would prefer. My local patch includes three VCs (South Lancs, Cheshire & West Yorks) and the point where they meet is just 100 yards from my home. It wouldn't take much effort to count the same bird on three county lists within a few minutes (not that I would do such a thing!) The main problem with VCs is that they are hard to trace on maps - you would have to look at parish boundaries and have some historical knowledge - whereas there are road signs telling you when you are entering, or leaving, Greater Manchester.

I think this thread could run and run...

Steve (a Tyke born and bred)

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  I'm going to Anglezarke again this weekend, if i can find it!
  I agree the banter is great and we shouldn't take ourselfs too seriously.
  When it comes to recording sightings within any given county the people
  who record them know which to include in the county list.

  I bet a few people on here who hadn't been to, or heard of Anglezarke, will now be considering a visit. Which can only be a good thing.
  And let's face it we're all Lancashire lads

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Ah, you need a passport to come to Etherow. let me see, is it in , Derbyshire or Chesire or Greater Manchester or Stockport??? Been in all in my time

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The boundary dispute is indeed just a bit of banter, which I wholeheartedly wish to promte.

In setting this forum up especially, I intended it not only to be for serious stuff like sightings but also to be used for the light hearted banter and typically amusing postings that have 'littered' it from time to time (which was some reason for me adding the 'discussions section'), I think they're great, I like reading them so long may they continue This is our forum, let's enjoy it!

This thread may have started out as a sighting (so it's in the right place then!) but there is no problem as it finishing as a full blown parlimentary debate if we want it to, but I hope you haven't taken any of this too seriously as birding can be serious enough at times and that's not really why I do it.

Please continue your postings, I for one fully appreciate them and we never get enough stuff from Etherow which is a great birding location

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