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Post Info TOPIC: Cutacre Country Park; north of the railway


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RE: Cutacre, Middle Hulton


Ian McKerchar wrote:

Presthaven Sands confuse.gif? Let's keep to the thread guys and rejoyce that we have a marvellous Shorelark of our own before we advocate on a county bird sightings thread travelling over a hundred miles to see one in another county hmm.gif

Plus 'our' Shorelark was present today and not just reported yesterday wink.gifsmile.gif



Sorry Ian - I was just trying to maintain the "tongue in check" slant of this thread bearing in mind Henry's knowledge of the coast of North Wales wink.gif

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Presthaven Sands ? Let's keep to the thread guys and rejoyce that we have a marvellous Shorelark of our own before we advocate on a county bird sightings thread travelling over a hundred miles to see one in another county

Plus 'our' Shorelark was present today and not just reported yesterday

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Haven't thought about the Gronant bird but I saw the elusive individual at Southport last year Sid. I am inquiring as this is such an unusual record and fairly close to home.

-- Edited by Henry Cook on Wednesday 3rd of February 2010 10:30:26 PM

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Henry Cook wrote:

Although the bird's location has no general access is it possible to get a vantage point to see the bird from a safe position with general access?
Thanks. Henry.



Henry have you thought about a trip to Presthaven Sands - it may not be in GM but you should be ok there wink.gif and their Shorelark was still being reported yesteday.

-- Edited by sid ashton on Wednesday 3rd of February 2010 10:09:30 PM

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Absolutely no chance Henry, barring a flypast in a microlight or similar. The point at which the Shorelark has favoured is the highest point around on the flattish 'plateau' of the spoil heap. The only way would be a very early morning or weekend visit keeping away from the obvious raised banks of the edges of the mining area (for which there is no real reason to ho near) and avoiding 'skylining' which would draw the attention of any workers there. Of course I am certainly not advocating anyone should do such a thing because if they did that would be unbelievable naughty and can only reiterate that the site has no general access.

I should also point out that before I knew the area had no general access during my visit on Sunday and coming from a personal profession where health and safety, dynamic risk assessments and the like are (apparently) paramount, I was entirely confident that in my opinion, so long as you kept away from the ridge, there was no more danger from being up there than any public place you could visit.

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Wednesday 3rd of February 2010 10:04:24 PM

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Although the bird's location has no general access is it possible to get a vantage point to see the bird from a safe position with general access?
Thanks. Henry.

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The comment was intended to be tongue in cheek Neil but the site is a working coal quarry and therefore is controlled by strict health and safety regulations.

The fact is that, as you rightly note, this forum will not encourage trespass in any way (and having to climb a barbed wire fence to access the site gives you an idea you shouldn't be on there ) and I have been asked by the workers of the site to point out that birders should not be up there. There would be little chance of arrest of course but the point is that not only would birders repeatedly being asked to leave tarnish our reputation far and wide but it would also make things uncomfortable for the person whose local patch it is likely to become and of course who happened to find the Shorelark in the first place.

The fact is that it would be just as easy to stop releasing the news of it's presence but you're all grown adults and I'm in the buisness of providing bird news, if you know what I mean .

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Ian McKerchar wrote:

No sign of the Shorelark again today up to midday.

Please also note that where the Shorelark was is apparently (wink.gif) private coal board land and we shouldn't be up there. Tresspassing is a crime you know, even after working hours when there's no one else about, no danger to yourselves and you're doing no harm. Please bear that in mindsmile.gif






Trespassing isn't a crime, it's a civil matter except in a certain number of exceptions such as railways and power plants - is there something specific about this place as opposed to private land generally?

Obviously a responsible bird site won't encourage trespass but is there any possibility of arrest as opposed to being politely asked to leave?

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Shorelark still present this morning (pre 9am) but of course it's location has no general access and to do so would be tresspassing

info thanks to Simon Warford

should anyone be granted access or get lost and find themselves up there, keeping below the ridge line (in fact away from the ridge line) would likely eliminate your chances of drawing attention to yourself. Just a thought

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Wednesday 3rd of February 2010 09:20:38 AM

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Ian McKerchar wrote:

Typically, there is a grain of truth which has been coverted into 'the usual tosh'. There was never any legitimate access anyway and as has already been stated here, if you go on there you are tresspassing and will get slung off. During working hours atleast...

Easily over 100 people saw the bird over the weekend, no trouble, no deaths, no massive raves, no illegal activities, no stealing coal, hotwiring quarry machinery or diving over cliff edges nor any contact with site 'officials'. Just a nice well managed and behaved county twitch.





I didn't go,as i was happy enough taking pics of the scaup i found at penny,but well done to everyone who saw it and it was nice to see everyone stayed thier distance and to be truthfull the shots on here prove that you don't have to get so close to get nice shots,id say Jon Taverners shots were some of the best ive seen of shorelark and a pleasure to see on here,lets keep all twitches the same good banter ,good birds ,good shotssmile.gifsmile.gif,and i wouldn't worry about whats said on other sites we know the area Lee Evans doasn'tsmile.gif

-- Edited by JOHN TYMON on Tuesday 2nd of February 2010 10:10:35 AM

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Its health and safety rearing its ugly head again.What a great excuse for denying people access to areas where as Ian says no harm was done to man,beast, machinery or coal.I remember several years ago when Ian and I found a great viewing place on the landfill site near me, it was at the most 10 feet inside the boundary,well away from any activity.Needless to say it was not long before we got chucked off the tip because of H&S issuesfurious.gif

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Typically, there is a grain of truth which has been coverted into 'the usual tosh'. There was never any legitimate access anyway and as has already been stated here, if you go on there you are tresspassing and will get slung off. During working hours atleast...

Easily over 100 people saw the bird over the weekend, no trouble, no deaths, no massive raves, no illegal activities, no stealing coal, hotwiring quarry machinery or diving over cliff edges nor any contact with site 'officials'. Just a nice well managed and behaved county twitch.

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Just seen this on Surfbirds News - posted by Lee Evans no.gif

"Well inland, one [Shorelark] continues on the spoil heap at Middle Hulton (Greater Manchester) but all access has now been denied after birder's activities upset the site owners".

Have there been any new developments restricting access, other than what we already know from this thread? Or is it just the usual tosh confuse.gif


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Please ensure if you visit the site, which you shouldn't because you'd be tresspassing if you did , that you keep a very sensible distance from the bird. It has been very unconfiding and does not like to be approached (yesterday's 'rock-hound' proved that!) and was feeding merrily on grass seeds legging it up and down the grassy area next to the mounds whilst the crown watched on from a good 120 foot away. That might sound a lot but there really is absolutely no need to go any closer. Let it feed in peace, if it is sat on the rock mounds constantly then you're probably too close

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smile.gifjust arrived back, myself and bernard hooley:

Shorelark still there at 2.45 this afternoon showing well sat on top of ridge

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Monday 1st of February 2010 04:00:37 PM

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Ian McKerchar wrote:

No sign of the Shorelark again today up to midday.

Please also note that where the Shorelark was is apparently (wink.gif) private coal board land and we shouldn't be up there. Tresspassing is a crime you know, even after working hours when there's no one else about, no danger to yourselves and you're doing no harm. Please bear that in mindsmile.gif





Think that area has always been coal board land,and if im not mistaken used to be a beltin area for golden plover!i used to walk over that way quite often when i lived in west leigh used to go via the top of atherton and up to the area below plodder lane,used to be plenty of small birds up there ,yellowhammers,redpoll,skylark etcsmile.gif

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No sign of the Shorelark again today up to midday.

Please also note that where the Shorelark was is apparently () private coal board land and we shouldn't be up there. Tresspassing is a crime you know, even after working hours when there's no one else about, no danger to yourselves and you're doing no harm. Please bear that in mind

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During our fruitless Shore Lark twitch cos it had just flown off, we also saw:-

Kestrel
Buzzard
Magpie
Crow
Grey Heron

Reading the other posts, I now know some names of those who were with us! Even though we dont know who was who!

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Simon Warford wrote:

Thought it might be an idea to start another thread for future sightings for this site, but maybe continue the Shorelark sightings on the other thread.






I think it's best if all sightings from Cutacre were now placed on this thread. Just as long as they're sightings

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Add 2 Snipe to the list as well. Flushed from the grassy hill between the farm and the spoil heap where the Shorelark was in a desperate attempt to relocate it !

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Cutacre Country Park; north of the railway


Thought it might be an idea to start another thread for future sightings for this site, but maybe continue the Shorelark sightings on the other thread.

30/31 Jan 2010

Shorelark
Skylark 6
Meadow Pipit 2
Linnet 3
Buzzard 1
Kestrel 1
Woodcock 1 30th Jan(Mark Rigby)
Chaffinch 5
Goldfinch 3
Pheasant 2
Raven 1
Little Owl 1(Steve Nelson)

Onwards & upwards.


-- Edited by Simon Warford on Sunday 31st of January 2010 09:18:01 PM

-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Tuesday 26th of July 2016 02:37:36 PM



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