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RE: NEW BIRD BOOKS


Reed and Bush Warblers helm Identification guide is now due out in November, now sit down Ian....... the price is 65.
I am sure it will be worth it?


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Okay first impression was yes its good, now each to their own, but I think this book is a little cracker, basically it is full of the main id features of every species in the western paleartic,

It reminds me of a book in the possession of one of our top birders in GM,his copy of collins was battered and full of notes, id points articles on difficult species, it was and properly still is his pride and joy, however self made, he new how it worked.

This book is as it says the ultimate portable reference book, I know some birders will say you should not take book out with you,but armed with this and a Collins mistakes should not happen in the field.

Nice book one to take with you and see if its right, I am sure someone will point out a major error, but there is always someone better than you out there.

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Just took delivery of Advanced Bird id Guide by Nils Van Duivendijk, first impression is hard to judge, bit like collins with no pics, will report later.


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Amazon notification of delays in the publication of these bookscry.gif

Should be ready for August, may have to go to the Rutland bird fair for them.


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Pre-ordered my copies of both books a few weeks back. Really looking forward to the Western Palearctic Photo guide, but noted recently they are still searching for pictures of lots of species/sub-species and different ages/sexes of birds etc.

The Advanced ID guide is a purely text book, so I suspect the reduction in artist or photo fees explains the very reasonable price, and also suspect that most people won't be too interested in it as there will be no pictures!?!?

The prices you have quoted are for pre-orders too, as the RRP for them is 75 and 15 respectively, so get in there early for the good prices.....................wink.gif


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Two new books due out soon,

Birds of the Western Paleartic photo guide
Hadoram Shirihai Lars Sevensson. 56.

Advanced bird guide, ID of every plumage of every bird on the Western Paleartic
Nils Van Duivendijk 10.50.


second one seem very cheap.


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Two new books due out soon,

Birds of the Western Paleartic photo guide
Hadoram Shirihai Lars Sevensson. 56.

Advanced bird guide, ID of every plumage of every bird on the Western Paleartic
Nils Van Duivendijk 10.50.


second one seem very cheap.


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Bought this today from the works in Stockport complete british birds by Paul Sterry (Collins photographic guides)
ISBN9780007814855 another one for the my ever growing collectionbiggrin.gif not a bad book they had about 7 copies left 4.99
not sure what year this was released.

-- Edited by Simon Gregory on Friday 11th of June 2010 10:40:05 PM

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It appears the Topography page missing of the New Collins bible was just a mistake, its in the paperback, and will be in the next reprints, to be honest I just photo-copied the old one and stuck it in, (yes Ian I know I should know it all by now, but I sometimes forget)

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Having recently bought the Collins Guide 2nd Edition (Birds of Britain and Europe) I have noticed a few online retailers out there are advertising a 2nd Collins Edition but Birds of Britain and Ireland.

Is this book actually available as a seperate edition or did the publishers change their minds and issue Britain and Europe instead of just Britain and Ireland????

Just wondered??





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No problem with the price Chris (only 1 difference!!!) and would still be a bargain at 10 anyway!!!

I knew where you meant by Forbouys so I'll excuse you from having that eye test on this occasion!!!! biggrin.gif

Thanks for the info!!!

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Hi Phil glad my slightly dodgy info was of some use , hmmm..... I seem to have got the price wrong , and the shops R.S.McColl now, not Forbouy's !!! doh!! Time to book Specsavers appointment ...

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Books and Naturalists by David Elliston Allen number 112 in the New Naturalist series excellent book if your mad like me.

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Forbouy's on Castle St. in Edgeley,Stockport ,had about 4 copies of "The Complete Guide to Birds of Britain and Europe"....a BTO book,edited by Paul Sterry ....A lovely hardback book , price marked at just 5.99...... cover price of 25 !! seems to be a good buy,as book was first published last year ....

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Bought a copy today for 6.99 and it is a bargain. A great book for the price!!!!

Thanks for the info.


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just got my collins second edition in soft back delivered today from amazon for the delivered price of only 11.19 total, Great book, great price, very happy......biggrin.gif

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Forbouy's on Castle St. in Edgeley,Stockport ,had about 4 copies of "The Complete Guide to Birds of Britain and Europe"....a BTO book,edited by Paul Sterry ....A lovely hardback book , price marked at just 5.99...... cover price of 25 !! seems to be a good buy,as book was first published last year ....

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Just got my Collins 2nd edition through, and I'm quite impressed. Really like the new plates for stuff like canvasback and redhead. I also like the way some of the plates have been re-arranged to give more space to individual spp or comparing spp - common and rough- legged buzzard now on same page for eg.

Still await the production of the paperback version for using and abusing though. This one will probably remain a 'shelf' book to be used when the paperback version falls apart like my first 1st edition one did.

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Just received my March copy of Birdwatching Magazine in the post.

For new subscribers, they are now offering the Collins Guide 2nd edition free.

Recently bought the 2nd edition (having owned the 1st already) but would strongly recommend the 2nd edition!!!

-- Edited by Phil Owen on Saturday 20th of February 2010 09:54:57 AM

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If you join the BTO you get a free copy of Collins 2nd edition not badsmile.gif

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Ian Woosey wrote:

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Wonder if the softback printrun will correct the little mistakes in it probally to late now, I never saw them till they got pointed out to me anyway.






There is a whole thread on "Turdforum" just devoted to the mistakes in the new edition, running to quite a few pages - although mostly minor, it is surprising how many there are (indeed, Killian Mullarney and Lars Svensson have felt the need to comment in person !). Apparently though, some/most of these will be corrected in the next print run. Hopefully it should all be sorted in time for the large-format edition later in the year when I shall be opening the sacred wallet....

-- Edited by Ian Woosey on Tuesday 16th of February 2010 10:56:41 PM




Yeah thanks for that just read the thread over there looks like the authors are inviting corrections.hmm.gif
Do you not like Birdforum then lol.

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Ahhhh, Mr McKinney !!! Don`t you owe me a quid from a few years ago ??? evileye.gif

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Ian Woosey wrote: I shall be opening the sacred wallet....




Moth traps at the ready, it should be a good haul smile.gif

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Simon Gregory wrote:

Wonder if the softback printrun will correct the little mistakes in it probally to late now, I never saw them till they got pointed out to me anyway.






There is a whole thread on "Turdforum" just devoted to the mistakes in the new edition, running to quite a few pages - although mostly minor, it is surprising how many there are (indeed, Killian Mullarney and Lars Svensson have felt the need to comment in person !). Apparently though, some/most of these will be corrected in the next print run. Hopefully it should all be sorted in time for the large-format edition later in the year when I shall be opening the sacred wallet....

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Wonder if the softback printrun will correct the little mistakes in it probally to late now, I never saw them till they got pointed out to me anyway.


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Look forward to it

Hardback/softback? Makes no odds really as it should never be taken out into the field It is there to be absorbed each and every night with many a cup of tea whereupon your next encounter with a difficult species it can be recollected and regurgitated or if not field notes made and then cross referenced with the book which should be keep in the car at best

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After to-ing and fro-ing I decided to order one based on Ians review and some other reviews ont tinternet. My only misgiving is that this is a hardcover cry.gif Hopefully the paperback will be out soon.

I'll let you know if I agree Ian wink.gif

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Paul Heaton wrote:

For a birder who is not big on books, Mr Mckerchar has given us an excellent review on the new Collins 2nd Edition.






I think I've been misrepresented there Paul . My bookshelves are packed with books but they are pretty much all identification based or relating to countries abroad that I have visited. Either way, a book lover such as yourself would be horrified by the treatment they receive in my hands as I'm a believer that they're there to be used and abused so that includes flattening the pages, scribbling in them, underlining stuff etc. A friend of mine once lent me his prized set of old county reports for research purposes and I was only allowed to peep inside the pages by opening them an inch or so! I love reading books, but I much prefer getting out in the field and utilising the information I glean from them

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Sorry steve delay from the printers on this book, its on order and as soon as I have it will let you know perhaps Ian will do another stunning reviewbiggrin.gif





"delay from the printers" - absolutely typical biggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

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Steve Suttill wrote:

Paul,

have you got the new New Naturalist "Books & Naturalists" yet? I'd be interested in your opinion before forking out all that dosh smile.gif

Steve


Sorry steve delay from the printers on this book, its on order and as soon as I have it will let you know perhaps Ian will do another stunning reviewbiggrin.gif



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Paul,

have you got the new New Naturalist "Books & Naturalists" yet? I'd be interested in your opinion before forking out all that dosh smile.gif

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For a birder who is not big on books, Mr Mckerchar has given us an excellent review on the new Collins 2nd Edition.

A perfect review top marks my man, however your old copy is also outstanding and deserves a place in the 200 club library, I wonder how long it will take to bring your new copy up to standard.

Well done that man.

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Thats nice simon, now don't forget to put it to good use and find a biggy for Gm in the spring.

Found a copy of Where to watch birds in the North West, today for 2.99( Oxfam books) just need to get Judith to autograph it nowbiggrin.gif

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Got my copy this morning it's brill biggrin.gif

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Yeah, I will start taking notes I just used to do it for fun.
I guess theres a lot scientific data to be had by logging birds in a particular area.
D'oh biggrin.gifshould of read the post above before I asked my question about the Collins.


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Simon my post before yours says it all, as it refers to the new edition, and like Ian says, its the best around, but don't forget to take notes.

Feel free to PM me on the book subject I bore you to hell on itbiggrin.gif


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Though I don't have it myself, Collins is THE fieldguide to the Western Pal. The more you dig into it's pages the more you realise just how much up-to-date information there is in there. Sure there are areas that could be improved upon (3rd edition perhaps?) but no other field guide comes close, period! You just have to remember that field guides such as Collins are restricted in the amount of information they can provide per species and as such will always have to compromise somewhere.

P.s. Don't take it into the field with you, take a notebook instead it's much more fun

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Does anyone have the new Collins 2nd edition yet opinions ? I'm think about getting it is very cheap on amazon now for the HB.

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Due to the problems with the first edition in 1999, I have held back obtaining my copy of Collins till today. So first thoughts, very subtle changes, American plates vastly improved, in fact all plates seem at first to be better, till you compare it with the first edition, then you realise that the plates in both books are top quality.

This is the birders bible and should be on all birders shelves.

It comes with extra pages but still feels like a field guide, only an extra 100grams, so not that much different in the field.

I do wonder why the topography page was missed out, and I miss the red stripe on the cover, however the slight raised Arctic tern on the dust jacket is nice.

Still one or two minor mistakes but if you cannot find them don't worry,update your shelves have both copies, its a birders book, and looking forward to the large format copy if they do one.

Just check out page 256 what a birdbiggrin.gif

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Now we need more of an input then I have ordered my book or I have received my book, come on confuse.gif

Are you pleased with your purchase, is it better than the last edition, do you like the lay-out, is the information updated. What about the American warblers...plates better than before or not.

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Not a problem at Amazon now. Ordered Monday and just arived.

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Sounds like Amazon are dragging their feet with this, mine was ordered last week from WHSmith and it arrived yesterday biggrin.gif

How much are they at RSPB reserves?

WHSmith's sell 'em at 15.

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Thanks to the tip off from Helen Jones (see below on thread) I just got my hardback copy ordered first class post from Amazon with their credit card offer for the net cost of 75p!!

Well worth putting up with the irritating MBNA issuing card company sales person trying to flog you loads of services you don't want or need.

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JOHN TYMON wrote:

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I bought my copy on 28th Dec from Old Moor, I believe other RSPB Reserves also have the book on sale early.

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We saw it at Leighton Moss too. The RSPB has a load on sale. We picked it up and had a feel of the bible! smile.gifbiggrin.gif

We nearly bought it, but Mrs P has it on order from amazon! Its cheaper at amazon too!! haha!

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is it worth buying?is there a lot more in it than the earlier version,which i already havesmile.gif



first impression for me after it arrived today,id say a little bit dissapointing,i expected many more new ,more indepth say of the gulls section,and apart from caspion which seems well covered,the others don't seem much different,yellow legged ,id have expected more than a few small illustraions,i would have thought a full page for them beggers,10 years is a long time in birding education,and i was a little dissapointed,but saying that its still by far the best field guide.smile.gif

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After waiting since ordering on Amazon in Aug 2008 I finally received my new collins bird guide this morning through the letterbox! Another cracking edition from my first impressions and I know this one will also go with me everywhere I go for the next 10 years or so too!

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Amazon.co.uk has a good offer on at the moment - if you take out their credit card they will immediately credit it with 15.

I applied online, bought 15 of birding books (which cost me nothing) and then when the card arrived cut it up! Cheapest books I've ever bought biggrin.gif

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I bought my copy on 28th Dec from Old Moor, I believe other RSPB Reserves also have the book on sale early.

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We saw it at Leighton Moss too. The RSPB has a load on sale. We picked it up and had a feel of the bible! smile.gifbiggrin.gif

We nearly bought it, but Mrs P has it on order from amazon! Its cheaper at amazon too!! haha!

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is it worth buying?is there a lot more in it than the earlier version,which i already havesmile.gif

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Robert Adderley wrote:

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I bought my copy on 28th Dec from Old Moor, I believe other RSPB Reserves also have the book on sale early.

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We saw it at Leighton Moss too. The RSPB has a load on sale. We picked it up and had a feel of the bible! smile.gifbiggrin.gif

We nearly bought it, but Mrs P has it on order from amazon! Its cheaper at amazon too!! haha!

-- Edited by Matt Potter on Wednesday 6th of January 2010 01:38:00 PM

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Hi Nik

I bought my copy on 28th Dec from Old Moor, I believe other RSPB Reserves also have the book on sale early.

Rob

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Robert Adderley wrote:

Collins 2nd edition on sale at Old Moor RSPB Reserve today.






Hi Rob,

I thought the hardback had a publication date of 7th January?

Regards,
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Thanks very much Paul.
Must admit although it's not the first time I've had photographs published, I'm pretty chuffed with this one.
I too, like yourself remember the books fondly from childhood and I hope it will encourage future birders.

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Anthony, you should be proud of that, the I-Spy book was the one that started me off and now I am looking at a bookcase with 175 books on it, it amazing where this hobby takes you.

Will look out for a new copy with your photos.

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