Presumably at some point the ancestors of Edward Sabine adopted (or Anglicised from Gaelic) the name of the Apennine tribe of Classical antiquity. Notable for their part in the legend of the founding of Rome and the story of the Rape of the Sabine Women frequently depicted in Renaissance painting and sculpture.
Edward Sabine it seems was one of those amazing polymath explorers who voyaged with Ross who in turn gave his name to Ross's Gull. There's a very nice stuffed one of those in Manchester Museum. Now what are the chances of one of those at Penny?
-- Edited by Tim Wilcox on Tuesday 11th of August 2015 09:57:04 AM
Steve Suttill said
Tue Aug 11 9:22 AM, 2015
Roger Baker 3 wrote:
I'm finding this thread strangely addictive ... do think I need to get out more !
Not sure how Messrs Walsh & Suttill have managed to get involved .... they can't even speak english ! Roger.
Thank you Roger! I'm glad someone thinks you're "lovely" (see Leighton Moss thread)
Roger Baker 3 said
Mon Aug 10 4:33 PM, 2015
I'm finding this thread strangely addictive ... do think I need to get out more !
Not sure how Messrs Walsh & Suttill have managed to get involved .... they can't even speak english ! Roger.
David Walsh said
Mon Aug 10 3:57 PM, 2015
Richard Thew wrote:
Now how do you pronounce passerines?
So that it rhymes with Pennines - For those of you from the west of the county, they are those dark, mist-shrouded things beyond Manchester!
sid ashton said
Mon Aug 10 3:42 PM, 2015
Simon Gough wrote:
Just while we're feeling precise, is the spelling mistake in the title of the thread ironic?
Simon, I guess you mean PRONUNICATION instead of the correct PRONUNCIATION
I have been reading that for three days now and only just spotted the typo!!!!!
Ian McKerchar said
Mon Aug 10 3:19 PM, 2015
Simon Gough wrote:
Just while we're feeling precise, is the spelling mistake in the title of the thread ironic?
Spelled how it's pronounced (in my local dialect anyway), so on topic at least!
Let's not get into general spelling; so long as the birds names are spelled correctly...
Simon Gough said
Mon Aug 10 3:10 PM, 2015
Just while we're feeling precise, is the spelling mistake in the title of the thread ironic?
Steve Suttill said
Mon Aug 10 1:57 PM, 2015
Richard Thew wrote:
In texas, they pronounce it as sab-een, like a more American version.
-- Edited by Richard Thew on Monday 10th of August 2015 01:13:48 PM
Well, if that's how they pronounce it in Texas, that will be the wrong way
Richard Thew said
Mon Aug 10 1:56 PM, 2015
It was in the early 1800's from what I've uncovered so yes, it's open to individual preference nowadays. But it was interesting to find out some of the origins though. As long as we all know what each mean when we say Sabine's, personally I think that's what matters most.
sid ashton said
Mon Aug 10 1:44 PM, 2015
I have spoken to two Irish friends this morning and got two different versions !!!
We reckon it's down to regional accents/dialects and doesn't matter that much anyway
Richard Thew said
Mon Aug 10 1:11 PM, 2015
Just a little more info. The ine (as in I'm or bine is from Italian and would be no doubt more appropriate over here. In texas, they pronounce it as sab-een, like a more American version. That's the info I've found and will explain a lot.
-- Edited by Richard Thew on Monday 10th of August 2015 01:13:48 PM
Richard Thew said
Mon Aug 10 12:52 PM, 2015
I've listened to an official recording pronunciation from a friend and it's.... Sab (sounds like "sad" but with a b) then ine (that sounds like "I'm" but with an n and with a slightly longer tone on the vocal cords - like saying yippee with a few extra e's). I hope this helps. Guess that means we can't call it sabs now. Now how do you pronounce passerines?
Steve Suttill said
Mon Aug 10 9:14 AM, 2015
Now, let me get this right, is the "ine" in Sabine's pronounced the same as the "ine" in passerine and columbine?
David Walsh said
Mon Aug 10 7:53 AM, 2015
JamieDunning wrote:
Now can we start the 'predatory fish are eating our vagrants' debate?
We'd better be careful how we word the "Pike eats Vagrant" headline. Some of our more right-wing gentlemen of the press may think it a spelling mistake, and see it as a solution to two of their problems in one go!
-- Edited by David Walsh on Monday 10th of August 2015 07:54:48 AM
JamieDunning said
Mon Aug 10 12:47 AM, 2015
This has been discussed before elsewhere - ive also heard it discussed (in person!) relating to Joseph Sabine (who was an early member of the Linnean Soc & gentleman naturalist).
As the gull was named after his brother, who's name I can't remember, they're pronounced in the same way.
It's SabEEn
Now can we start the 'predatory fish are eating our vagrants' debate?
Rob Creek said
Sun Aug 9 11:39 PM, 2015
Ian McKerchar wrote:
Ian Chisnall wrote:
Does anyone know how to pronounce "Ring-billed"
I'm also at a loss with that one!
Ian McKerchar said
Sun Aug 9 9:27 PM, 2015
Ian Chisnall wrote:
Does anyone know how to pronounce "Ring-billed"
Roger Baker 3 said
Sun Aug 9 8:32 PM, 2015
I know how to pronounce "over-billed" and could name a couple of car repair shops who are good at it !
Roger.
Ian Chisnall said
Sun Aug 9 7:34 PM, 2015
Does anyone know how to pronounce "Ring-billed"
Ian McKerchar said
Sun Aug 9 2:29 PM, 2015
As with Sabine's, I leave them open to interpretation...
Rob Creek said
Sun Aug 9 2:19 PM, 2015
Ian McKerchar wrote:
Feel free to call it Sabs on the forum but I shall change your usernames to Si and Rog
In doing that Ian, how would you pronounce them?
See or Sie? Rogg or Roj?
Ian McKerchar said
Sun Aug 9 2:07 PM, 2015
Feel free to call it Sabs on the forum but I shall change your usernames to Si and Rog
Roger Baker 3 said
Sun Aug 9 1:52 PM, 2015
I like this discussion Sid ... some would just shrug it off but I think we have got to get it right as it was named in honour of Sir Edward and his brother.
I'm just wondering if they suffered from the "Hyacinth Bucket" syndrome ? As for "Sabs" .... horror of horrors ! How dare you ! I'll go and get Ians red-hot pincers ready !
Roger.
simon ghilks said
Sun Aug 9 1:37 PM, 2015
sid ashton wrote:
I think Sabs Gull would be easier but I doubt Ian would let us get away with that on the forum
Didn't know there was an audio version of the forum. That would be handy for when I misplace my glasses.
sid ashton said
Sun Aug 9 1:07 PM, 2015
According to an Irish mate of mine I have always believed it was SAY-BINE after the Irish ornithologist Sir Edward Sabine (SAY-BINE !!!).
I also checked pronunciation on Google and there at least three different spoken examples - take your pick
I think Sabs Gull would be easier but I doubt Ian would let us get away with that on the forum
-- Edited by sid ashton on Sunday 9th of August 2015 01:39:17 PM
Roger Baker 3 said
Sun Aug 9 12:48 PM, 2015
Hiya Ian, we had this discussion on Wednesday evening as I said saBINES and my mate had saBEENS.
So I got my little googling finger to work and it seems that the two gull discoverer brothers (irish) pronounced their name as SAByns or SABins.
Hope this helps.
Roger.
-- Edited by Roger Baker 3 on Sunday 9th of August 2015 01:04:31 PM
Ian Chisnall said
Sun Aug 9 12:28 PM, 2015
Does anyone know what the correct pronunication of Sabine's is please? Thank you
Edward Sabine it seems was one of those amazing polymath explorers who voyaged with Ross who in turn gave his name to Ross's Gull. There's a very nice stuffed one of those in Manchester Museum. Now what are the chances of one of those at Penny?
-- Edited by Tim Wilcox on Tuesday 11th of August 2015 09:57:04 AM
Thank you Roger! I'm glad someone thinks you're "lovely" (see Leighton Moss thread)
Not sure how Messrs Walsh & Suttill have managed to get involved .... they can't even speak english !
Roger.
So that it rhymes with Pennines - For those of you from the west of the county, they are those dark, mist-shrouded things beyond Manchester!
I have been reading that for three days now and only just spotted the typo!!!!!
Spelled how it's pronounced (in my local dialect anyway), so on topic at least!
Let's not get into general spelling; so long as the birds names are spelled correctly...
Well, if that's how they pronounce it in Texas, that will be the wrong way
We reckon it's down to regional accents/dialects and doesn't matter that much anyway
-- Edited by Richard Thew on Monday 10th of August 2015 01:13:48 PM
We'd better be careful how we word the "Pike eats Vagrant" headline. Some of our more right-wing gentlemen of the press may think it a spelling mistake, and see it as a solution to two of their problems in one go!
-- Edited by David Walsh on Monday 10th of August 2015 07:54:48 AM
I'm also at a loss with that one!
Roger.
In doing that Ian, how would you pronounce them?
See or Sie? Rogg or Roj?
I'm just wondering if they suffered from the "Hyacinth Bucket" syndrome ?
As for "Sabs" .... horror of horrors ! How dare you ! I'll go and get Ians red-hot pincers ready !
Roger.
Didn't know there was an audio version of the forum. That would be handy for when I misplace my glasses.
I also checked pronunciation on Google and there at least three different spoken examples - take your pick
I think Sabs Gull would be easier but I doubt Ian would let us get away with that on the forum
-- Edited by sid ashton on Sunday 9th of August 2015 01:39:17 PM
So I got my little googling finger to work and it seems that the two gull discoverer brothers (irish) pronounced their name as SAByns or SABins.
Hope this helps.
Roger.
-- Edited by Roger Baker 3 on Sunday 9th of August 2015 01:04:31 PM
Thank you