Other terms for "styles" of birdwatching/bird identification?
How about holistic? - this basically is, as I understand it, the "modern" integrated approach to bird watching/ID that most of us will now use (possibly without knowing it!) on a daily basis. Jizz will certainly be a part of it - if jizz is just strictly regarded as a general impression of size and shape. Then we will all use jizz everyday - some birds are relatively easy to ID on jizz alone - airborne Lapwings and Jays for example. Many experienced seawatchers and vis-mig watchers may just possibly just ID birds on jizz alone.
A holistic approach will utilise jizz, along with plumage appearances, vocalisations, habitat preferences, behaviour, time of year and probably other aspects I can't recall at present!
I noticed that on your Kingsway Business Park thread post the other day that you said you ID'd some Skylarks by jizz. I would guess (although I stand to be corrected!) that you not only utlised jizz but also used vocalisations (to a large extent) and habitat preferences to a lesser extent to arrive at your conclusions as to the ID of these birds? So realistically whilst using jizz you were also taking a holistic approach to arrive at your conclusion to the ID of these birds?
Can't claim to be an expert on these matters but the modern day, integrated holistic approach would seem to have evolved as we have developed greater respect for the rights of birds to go about their daily lives without man's adverse interference - shooting them out of the sky as a means of identifying a bird (the what's hit is history....what's missed is mystery mentality) of less than a century ago, egg-collecting etc. We might still have some way to go on this holistic approach.... where there are instances of interference in birds lives that are still above acceptable levels but jizz and the holistic approach are enjoyable and "user-friendly" ways of watching birds.
Apologies if as usual I have taken this thread wobbling off at a slight tangent!
Best wishes,
Bill.
Melanie Beckford said
Wed Nov 18 11:26 PM, 2009
Paul Cliff wrote:
i think the whole jizz thing isn't meant to be taken in any way literally, mel...
taxi!!
Paul Cliff said
Wed Nov 18 9:38 PM, 2009
i think the whole jizz thing isn't meant to be taken in any way literally, mel...
Melanie Beckford said
Wed Nov 18 9:33 PM, 2009
Can you tell...l'm confused?
Thanks for your 'detailed' reply Paul hee hee x
l understand the meaning but not the reasoning for J not G... and zz not ss.
thanks to Sid too
Paul Heaton said
Wed Nov 18 9:13 PM, 2009
BIRD IN THE BUSH STEPHEN MOSS.
Quote In 1922 Coward defined, for the first time, a concept still in widespread use today:that of 'jizz',the way in which an experienced birder can identify a species on even a brief,distant view,because of some indefinable quality of its appearance. In Cowards own words;
Jizz may be applied to or possessed by any animate and some inanimate objects,yet we cannot clearly define it...as a rule,i is character rather than characteristics.....something definiate yet indescribable, something which instantly registers identity in the brain,though how or what is seen remains unspecified. It is its jizz.
Can you tell I am bored.
keep biriding
sid ashton said
Wed Nov 18 8:57 PM, 2009
Melanie Beckford wrote:
If Jizz (What the bird does habitually, that conveys to us it's identity) means General Impression of Size and Shape....then why is it J and not G ? not to mention the zz's ?
Melanie perhaps the first person to use the term was also a charades player "one word - sounds like - GISS"
Melanie Beckford said
Wed Nov 18 8:40 PM, 2009
If Jizz (What the bird does habitually, that conveys to us it's identity) means General Impression of Size and Shape....then why is it J and not G ? not to mention the zz's ?
Paul Heaton said
Wed Nov 18 7:54 PM, 2009
Mr Cliff.
May I recommend the following book.
BIRDS BY CHARACTER
The Field guide to Jizz Identification.
Nice book out of print, ( anyone with a hardback copy can contact me please.)
keep Birding
sid ashton said
Wed Nov 18 4:26 PM, 2009
Paul Cliff wrote:
you are correct, sid. jizz is a noun. i can't have a list of birds that i've jizzed. it's more of a "it's a snipe by the jizz of it"?
Spot on Paul
Paul Cliff said
Wed Nov 18 3:47 PM, 2009
you are correct, sid. jizz is a noun. i can't have a list of birds that i've jizzed. it's more of a "it's a snipe by the jizz of it"?
sid ashton said
Wed Nov 18 3:10 PM, 2009
Paul Cliff wrote:
...... jizzing can only help my field craft surely!
Paul I think you'll find that jizz is not a verb in birding terminology - therefore you can't (do) jizz if you see what I mean
Rob Thorpe said
Wed Nov 18 11:26 AM, 2009
Paul Cliff wrote:
I fancy getting into jizz and jizzing
Whatever turns you on mate...
Paul Cliff said
Wed Nov 18 10:20 AM, 2009
it's a good day when you learn something new, steve!
i love this forum, dave winnard just text me and offered to take me to tryout jizzing on some jack snipe - will let you know how we get.
all very exciting.
-- Edited by Paul Cliff on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 10:21:15 AM
Steve Suttill said
Wed Nov 18 9:38 AM, 2009
Innocent that I am the birding use of the term was the only one that I was aware of (until I just googled the word and got a load of porno sites )
There's an excellent (out of print) book "Birds by character: Field Guide to Jizz Identification" by Rob Hume with excellent little sketchy illustrations by Ian Wallace, John Busby and Darren Rees. A must for any library.
Steve
Paul Cliff said
Wed Nov 18 8:37 AM, 2009
are there any jizz experts on the forum who wouldn't mind imparting some of thier jizz skills on a jizz novice? I fancy getting into jizz and jizzing can only help my field craft surely! I think my love of silouhettes was me jizzing before I realised what I was doing.
Ian McKerchar said
Tue Nov 17 9:59 PM, 2009
The story is indeed true Paul
Mike Chorley said
Tue Nov 17 9:27 PM, 2009
There is the apocryphal story of a visiting British birder in the'States (where the term is apparently less well-known) picking out a European wader among all the 'peeps' and explaining how it could be recognised by its' jizz. As he's leaving one local says to his American host "Gee these Brits are SO thorough"
sid ashton said
Tue Nov 17 7:46 PM, 2009
Indeed "jizz" is the basis upon which my early birding tuition was presented by my mentor
I always thought Jizz was a well-known (and unfortunately named) birding term...
A birding term that annoys me is Blogging. It is used all the time at Spurn, for example "2 Arctic Skuas blogging". This does not mean that a couple of skuas are writing blogs, it actually means they are just kind of hanging around, whereas most stuff at Spurn tends to be moving through... I wonder where that comes from?
-- Edited by Rob Thorpe on Tuesday 17th of November 2009 07:47:21 PM
Paul Cliff said
Tue Nov 17 7:33 PM, 2009
came across this excuse the pun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizz_(birding)
is it for real?
anyone got more?
Hi Paul,
Other terms for "styles" of birdwatching/bird identification?
How about holistic? - this basically is, as I understand it, the "modern" integrated approach to bird watching/ID that most of us will now use (possibly without knowing it!) on a daily basis. Jizz will certainly be a part of it - if jizz is just strictly regarded as a general impression of size and shape. Then we will all use jizz everyday - some birds are relatively easy to ID on jizz alone - airborne Lapwings and Jays for example. Many experienced seawatchers and vis-mig watchers may just possibly just ID birds on jizz alone.
A holistic approach will utilise jizz, along with plumage appearances, vocalisations, habitat preferences, behaviour, time of year and probably other aspects I can't recall at present!
I noticed that on your Kingsway Business Park thread post the other day that you said you ID'd some Skylarks by jizz. I would guess (although I stand to be corrected!) that you not only utlised jizz but also used vocalisations (to a large extent) and habitat preferences to a lesser extent to arrive at your conclusions as to the ID of these birds? So realistically whilst using jizz you were also taking a holistic approach to arrive at your conclusion to the ID of these birds?
Can't claim to be an expert on these matters but the modern day, integrated holistic approach would seem to have evolved as we have developed greater respect for the rights of birds to go about their daily lives without man's adverse interference - shooting them out of the sky
Apologies if as usual I have taken this thread wobbling off at a slight tangent!
Best wishes,
Bill.
taxi!!
Thanks for your 'detailed' reply Paul
l understand the meaning but not the reasoning for J not G... and zz not ss.
thanks to Sid too
Quote In 1922 Coward defined, for the first time, a concept still in widespread use today:that of 'jizz',the way in which an experienced birder can identify a species on even a brief,distant view,because of some indefinable quality of its appearance. In Cowards own words;
Jizz may be applied to or possessed by any animate and some inanimate objects,yet we cannot clearly define it...as a rule,i is character rather than characteristics.....something definiate yet indescribable, something which instantly registers identity in the brain,though how or what is seen remains unspecified. It is its jizz.
Can you tell I am bored.
keep biriding
May I recommend the following book.
BIRDS BY CHARACTER
The Field guide to Jizz Identification.
Nice book out of print, ( anyone with a hardback copy can contact me please.)
keep Birding
i can't have a list of birds that i've jizzed. it's more of a "it's a snipe by the jizz of it"?
Paul I think you'll find that jizz is not a verb in birding terminology - therefore you can't (do) jizz if you see what I mean
i love this forum, dave winnard just text me and offered to take me to tryout jizzing on some jack snipe - will let you know how we get.
all very exciting.
-- Edited by Paul Cliff on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 10:21:15 AM
There's an excellent (out of print) book "Birds by character: Field Guide to Jizz Identification" by Rob Hume with excellent little sketchy illustrations by Ian Wallace, John Busby and Darren Rees. A must for any library.
Steve
I think my love of silouhettes was me jizzing before I realised what I was doing.
I always thought Jizz was a well-known (and unfortunately named) birding term...
A birding term that annoys me is Blogging. It is used all the time at Spurn, for example "2 Arctic Skuas blogging". This does not mean that a couple of skuas are writing blogs, it actually means they are just kind of hanging around, whereas most stuff at Spurn tends to be moving through... I wonder where that comes from?
-- Edited by Rob Thorpe on Tuesday 17th of November 2009 07:47:21 PM