You'd be surprised how good at organising they become when subsidies are involved

Same goes for farmers. If what i've read is true, it's every farmers dream to have a wind warm on their land. Much more money than farming. Sad, but can you blame them?

I would be very surprised if Salford council actually get their wind farm , in Swinton the council can't organise a social event in a brewery and that's putting it politely.

There is a article in the Salford advertiser about the possible windfarm, a feasibility study has been done. All residents in the area will be able to vote on it apparantly so I hope its an overwhelming `no' like the vote for the conjestion charge.

Mike

The ones on Ashworth Moor were just pumped full of concrete to over come that problem, the knock on effect was is that the extra run-off from all the water that would not be absorbed in the ground from rain would run-off into the Naden reservoirs. These have had to be rebuilt because if Lower, Middle and Higher Naden Reservoirs were filled to capacity the dam walls would burst, though Greenbooth itself could cope if that ever happened.

My first issue would be with the hideous criss crossing of electricity pylons we have. At least at Ashworth Moor its shrouded in low cloud almost every other day so you can't even see the turbines I like to think of them as Dotterel Becons - and if i find a handful in spring up there......

Dave

-- Edited by David Winnard at 20:39, 2009-01-23

They are going to have to dig a VERY deep hole for the foundations on the Moss.A two storey house built just across the railway line from Rindle Road a couple of years ago turned into a bungalow within 6 months as it sunk into the peat.

some really interesting reading produced by a mate of mine's girl's grandad - the crux of it seems to be that they are useless in terms of their potential power delivery on demand in relation to the how the national grid demands energy. but the more i read on the subject the less i understand.

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/business/committees/enterprise/inquiries/rei/ec04-reis-shawalan.htm

apparently he's quiet a character still going strong at 91...

It will be profitable for the energy companies as they receive subsidies from us as taxpayers!

One of the big arguments against windfarms in the Outer Hebrides was that they would take more energy to build than they would ever create in their lifetime. If you put up huge turbines on peat moorland or a lowland moss, you have to dig huge holes and fill them with concrete, and build roads to provide access in the first place.

Stick the turbines on the roofs of the houses of the people who use the most energy - that would soon get them to use less!

Most of us like our current lifestyles and that requires a lot of energy. Tragically many windfarms are sited without regard for the ecosystems they are part designed to be saving!
The onshore wind turbines don't generate anywhere near as much electricity as their offshore counterparts but are cheaper to put up. I guess if they've got to the planning stage they have decided it is profitable to do it. At the end of the day in the name of capitalism and 'green' energy our natural world will be all but gone.
Would be a great shame if our mosses were to be compromised in this way.
Henry.

i can't see the point of putting windfarms on what is predominently lowland flat land,i always thought it needed either to be out to sea or on very high ground,otherwise they would not generate enough to even cover the cost of setting one up. Its one of them controvercial ones again, windfarms give us energy without burning coal etc,but they don't half spoil a landscape,as i know being 50/50 wildlife and landscape photographer in my spare time.
you only need to look towards Rochdale from thr flash to see the damage to the eye that they do,or out to sea from north wales,and all you can see on the horizon are wind turbines.

I see Salford Council on their website have plans for a windfarm on Irlam/Chat Moss and whilst it may have little effect on birds and birding and understanding their positive, renewable energy provision, I can't help my personal feelings of repultion at their ugly blot on what is a beautiful area. I'm sure there's more to it than that and I don't know anywhere near the full details though