Didn't see the Snipe, but there was a Shoveler disappearing into the reeds on the adjacent pond.
Interesting about the Cetti's; I'll keep an ear out if I get down there during the week...
Simon Gough said
Sun Oct 12 4:40 PM, 2014
Dip number 3 for me on the Garganey today between about 11 and 2pm. Met a few Manchester Birders and had some good chats, while the 2 ducks presumably were getting a coffee in town or maybe had popped over to the Trafford Centre.
Birds seen: Kingfisher 2 or maybe 3, but at least 2 Snipe 2 Little Grebe 5 Jay 2-3, maybe more Grey Wagtail Sparrowhawk, a juvenile I think Buzzard 2 Goldcrest
I thought I saw some Redwings in the mist over the trees, but they wheeled away so couldn't be sure
The most interesting thing though was a call heard at the other bit of open water. Having heard and then seen a Cetti's Warbler yesterday, I heard the same call today 2-3 times in a minute or so at around 1230-1pm from the back and left of the smaller pond. This from Xeno Canto is a fair match to it:
http://www.xeno-canto.org/174339
Happy if people put it down to over-enthusiasm, but I would say that the birds do occur in GM now, as proven with Pennington and Wigan Flashes, and the habitat at the reserve is bob on, so it is certainly possible for a Cetti's to be there. I guess just listen out if you're down there. It is quite a coincidence, I'm not sure I'd have connected the two sounds so closely if there had been a few days in between.
-- Edited by Simon Gough on Sunday 12th of October 2014 05:55:00 PM
Pete Hines said
Sun Oct 12 12:52 PM, 2014
I had observed the Anas away from the Garganey showing aggression towards both Shoveler and Teal. Not that this means owt !.
Rob Creek said
Sat Oct 11 7:12 PM, 2014
John the same thought crossed my mind yesterday that they'd formed some kind of a bond, even though there was a Little Grebe virtually cm's away from the Garganey, it became apparent that they weren't straying far from each other and seemed to appear from the far side of the island together and disappear together too!
Virtually everyone's observations of these 2 Ducks seem to indicate the same, and throw in the possible similarities with the White facial spot, does anyone think Garganey could be part of the hybrid mix??? Or could the bond association with these 2 purely coincidental, and could the White spot occur in other hybrid mixes and not necessarily just because 1 of the original species has a White spot anyway? I may have this totally wrong, it was just a thought! Cheers Rob
John Rayner said
Sat Oct 11 5:43 PM, 2014
I was at Broad Ees Dole from 14.35 - 16.30
24 Teal initially roosting on the island but most moved out of sight. The Garganey and Anas sp. eventually flew in from right to left at about 16.00 and began actively feeding at the back of the pool. But they soon flew again and appeared to land, out of sight, on the far right of the pool. These two do seem to be somewhat bonded, moving and feeding closely together. Also: 4 Little Grebes 3 Grey Herons 1 Kingfisher (perched) 2 Grey Wagtails 2 Snipe
Cheers John
Nick Hilton said
Sat Oct 11 4:33 PM, 2014
Broad Ees Dole, visit between 1250-1350 today; The Garganey and (?) duck were feeding together behind the far islands, keeping distant from the 17 strong resting Teal flock. A fox moved around the far bank flushing the two birds which sought sanctuary amongst the Teal. Also present 2 Little Grebe.
On arrival at Sale Water Park, as I came off the motorway junction a Peregrine flew with prey item onto the adjacent pylon. I stopped and watched it pluck what I'm sure was a Jay (Jays must be a good target species for these birds during the autumn dispersal and food foraging). The Peregrine was still present on the pylon when I left.
Rob Creek said
Sat Oct 11 9:22 AM, 2014
I've browsed through my photos again and some of them don't depict the large Shoveler-type bill, it's a much smaller less spatula-like one. Also a couple of the shots give the bird having a facial likeness to a female Pochard, however that said I still suspect that Shoveler and Teal of some kind are the main species involved. Interesting to find out!
James Walsh said
Sat Oct 11 8:32 AM, 2014
This bird seems to be turning into a real life mystery bird competition
Having spent a large part of the week in the Lakeside Hide with several birders, taking notes, photographing and filming the bird at different times of the day in different light and doing a fair amount of research and receiving some comments, there still doesn't seem to be a consensus on the identification
Rob Creek said
Fri Oct 10 10:58 PM, 2014
Called in this afternoon whilst delivering in Sale. Nice to meet Judith Pidgeon at the hide.
A little bit of patience paid off and the Teal-Shoveler sp suddenly appeared from behind the far island. Constantly feeding and preening, it was hard work trying to get a good shot (at distance) but eventually got a few to examine. BEING THE DUCK EXPERT THAT I AM!!!
Joking apart, from the shots I have... The bill certainly is Shoveler like but maybe not as large, the rear end also resembles Shoveler somewhat. The bird is a little bulkier than normal around the neck, giving it a slightly robust appearance. The White spot area certainly stands out between the bill and the eye, which for me could've maybe indicated Garganey in there somewhere! Interesting darkish stripe above the eye and that is possibly indicative of Teal but I wouldn't like to be the one making the call, are you any closer to an ID confirmation Ian?
Other birds: 1 Garganey feeding constantly 4 Little Grebe (1 latching on to the Garganey for company) 5 Common Teal
Simon Gough said
Fri Oct 10 9:09 PM, 2014
A second trip at between about 5 and 6pm and a second dip for the Garganey. The Kingfishers seen again were some consolation, and the unidentified duck was still about.
Pete Hines said
Fri Oct 10 8:29 PM, 2014
On Wednesday 8th there was also a female Wigeon on B.E.D. and 4 Snipe at the adjacent pond.
Simon Gough said
Fri Oct 10 11:58 AM, 2014
Hi James
Thanks for the clarification. I saw the video Pete did of the Garganey as well as the 'Anas', the white on the wings of the Garganey was the thing that didn't match with the bird I was focussing on, which in hindsight was presumably the Teal sp. The smaller bird feeding had noticeable white bars on its wings (speculum?). This element of the plumage isn't really prominent in my field guide. Trouble was I had to leave to go to work, or I'd have waited for them to show nearer the hide
I am heading back to Sale later on then by the look of it...I quite like a bit of a lesson like this though, if all the birds were easy to pick out it wouldn't be so much fun.
-- Edited by Simon Gough on Friday 10th of October 2014 12:47:45 PM
James Walsh said
Fri Oct 10 11:40 AM, 2014
The Teal sp is the larger of the 2 birds when seen with the Garganey
The Garganey is an eclipse drake but the identification of the Teal sp is still unconfirmed
There is some film of the bird online courtesy of Pete Hines, just google "An Interesting Anas"
-- Edited by James Walsh on Friday 10th of October 2014 11:41:23 AM
Simon Gough said
Fri Oct 10 11:06 AM, 2014
A very pleasant trip up to Sale WP first thing to try and see my first Garganey, as well as the 'Teal sp'. There were stacks of birds on the water when I arrived, as it was only just getting light. As the sun came fully up I saw the following: 2 Snipe, both static close in to the left of the hide, showing superbly 4 Little Grebe, 2 ad 2 juv 5 Goosander, females or juvs 2 Mandarin, males 1 coming out of Eclipse and one looking lovely and orange 3 Teal, 1 nice male 20+ Mallard 20+ Canada Geese
and 1 pair of different looking smaller ducks both feeding as if their lives depended on it. I concluded these were the Garganey and Teal sp. Annoyingly it wasn't possible with the light at that point to to categorically ID a Garganey
The Geese started moving to the big lake and this flushed everything else eventually leaving only a couple of Mallard a Teal and the 2 odd ducks, but at the back of the water where I really struggled again to see them well enough. Whilst watching them I also saw another Snipe and 2 Kingfisher
Also a Little Grebe juv and a really close Snipe from the path on the other bit of water beyond the pylon
So for me these 2 ducks feeding like released convicts had to be the 2. But I am a bit confused reading back posts. Which of these 2 is bigger? The bird I had possibly as the Garganey was the bigger of the 2. But the posts read like the Teal sp is the larger. Could someone help me out?
In Europe it would be regarded as an escaped exotic (i.e. of captive origin), and is a scarce/rare visitor even to the Atlantic coasts of N. America. I don't know if it might ever have made it under its own steam to the Azores, (though others may have more detailed info on that). As a close congener of Blue-winged Teal, unsurprisingly, hybrids of these do sometimes occur where their ranges overlap.
Seen in the neotropics in a genuine wild situation, the drake is a stunningly beautiful bird.
As I thought. You seriously wouldn't want your 200th bird to be any sort of wildfowl really...
Tim Wilcox said
Thu Oct 9 6:46 PM, 2014
Mike Savage wrote:
As an ex-Mersey Valley Warden (and the designer of the original wooden hide, which predictably didn't last that long!) , I think the reason why the BED hide was given that name was to differentiate it from the viewing screen on the NE corner of the site - now gone.
It was excellent too. You must've been gutted when the scrotes burned it down. I remember feeling sad and angry when I saw the remains shortly after
Mike Savage said
Thu Oct 9 12:46 PM, 2014
As an ex-Mersey Valley Warden (and the designer of the original wooden hide, which predictably didn't last that long!) , I think the reason why the BED hide was given that name was to differentiate it from the viewing screen on the NE corner of the site - now gone.
James Walsh said
Thu Oct 9 10:34 AM, 2014
To solve any confusion over the location, here are the directions
Take J6 of the M60 sign-posted Trafford Water Sports Centre, onto Rifle Road, take first left onto Cow Lane, park @ the Visitor Centre/cafe car park, walk 500 yards along the north shore of the main lake to the Lakeside Hide to view the Broad Ees Dole nature reserve
James Walsh said
Thu Oct 9 10:16 AM, 2014
Note that the identification of this bird has not been confirmed yet
For information:
Cinnamon Teal is on Category E* of the Official British List
A drake on the Western Isles during Spring 2004 was well-twitched and is on the UK400 Club List as thought to be a genuine vagrant
Wildfowl (1989) states "Popular in captivity, occasional birds recorded in western Europe almost certainly escapes, although trans-atlantic vagrancy is not unlikely"
I recall a bird at Elton Reservoir in October 1991, but that was an adult drake so much easier to identify
James Walsh said
Thu Oct 9 9:48 AM, 2014
If any birders have any field notes/photos/film of the Teal sp @Sale Water Park appreciate it if you could please email: salforddocklands@yahoo.com
Thanks,
James
Mike Passant said
Thu Oct 9 9:23 AM, 2014
Tim, you ask of the status of Cinnamon Teal.
In Europe it would be regarded as an escaped exotic (i.e. of captive origin), and is a scarce/rare visitor even to the Atlantic coasts of N. America. I don't know if it might ever have made it under its own steam to the Azores, (though others may have more detailed info on that). As a close congener of Blue-winged Teal, unsurprisingly, hybrids of these do sometimes occur where their ranges overlap.
Seen in the neotropics in a genuine wild situation, the drake is a stunningly beautiful bird.
Tony Darby said
Wed Oct 8 10:53 PM, 2014
Steve! as I'm sure you know, no regulars to SWP refer to the hide as "the Lakeside Hide". For those who don't know the area, 'Broad Ees Dole' would be a better option.
-- Edited by Tony Darby on Wednesday 8th of October 2014 11:40:25 PM
steven burke said
Wed Oct 8 9:53 PM, 2014
Tim, lakeside hide is the one that overlooks broad ees dole, the name is on it
Teal sp & garganey still present on the far side of broad ees dole between 5-6pm 6 gadwall 6 shoveler 17 teal 3 little grebe 2 goosander 1 grey heron 1 kingfisher 1 snipe 1 great spotted woodpecker
-- Edited by steven burke on Wednesday 8th of October 2014 09:57:04 PM
Tim Wilcox said
Wed Oct 8 8:37 PM, 2014
James Walsh wrote:
8th October
The Teal sp & Garganey still present on Broad Ees Dole viewable from the Lakeside Hide, also c25 Teal, 4 Gadwall, 5 Little Grebe
7th October
Teal sp, Garganey, 7 Goosander, 1 Snipe, 1 Kingfisher on Broad Ees Dole from Lakeside Hide, also 3 Shoveler on the open area of water 200 yards north
I was wondering what this 'Lakeside Hide' was. Having been to the Broad Ees Dole hide for years I've never noticed it had a name. What is the status of US species Cinnamon Teal? Trash bird or genuine?
James Walsh said
Wed Oct 8 1:06 PM, 2014
8th October
The Teal sp & Garganey still present on Broad Ees Dole viewable from the Lakeside Hide, also c25 Teal, 4 Gadwall, 5 Little Grebe
7th October
Teal sp, Garganey, 7 Goosander, 1 Snipe, 1 Kingfisher on Broad Ees Dole from Lakeside Hide, also 3 Shoveler on the open area of water 200 yards north
James Walsh said
Tue Oct 7 2:10 AM, 2014
6th October 2014
Interesting day, at around 5pm, 2 ducks feeding in front of the Lakeside Hide, one a Garganey, one with a Blue-winged Teal-type face pattern, very striking pale loral spot, both birds were still feeding together @ 6:50pm
Agree with Ian that it's not a pure Blue-winged Teal, as it's too big
It might be that this bird is within range for female/immature Cinnamon Teal
If you are on facebook the photos are on North West Birding and Greater Manchester Birding Community
Having trouble with IOS 8.0.2 and I posted this Friday afternoon but it obviously hasn't done.
Fri 3rd Oct early pm:
-92 Black-headed Gulls on the sailing club jetty and the buoys. More flying around both near Deckers and further round near main car park -4 Lesser Black-backed Gulls on buoys -over 60 Canada Goose -4 Cormorant -1 Grey Wagtail -1 Pied Wagtail 2 Adult Mute Swan with the now almost fully grown Cygnets practicing their wing exercises and you could feel the power as I was stood right next to them.
Amazing how gentle both Mute Swan and Canada Goose at Sale WP can be when being fed!
JamieDunning said
Mon Oct 6 10:40 PM, 2014
Are these photos posted anywhere?
Ian McKerchar said
Mon Oct 6 9:53 PM, 2014
Having looked at James Walsh's images this evening (and with the usual caveat of only having looked at the images and not the bird itself, so my opinion is certainly not necessarily definitive) I would say that I'm confident the bird is not a Blue-winged Teal. The bill is unusually long, broad (and rather Shoveler like) and an excellent comparison shot next to a Garganey shows the bird to be rather large and bulky in size too.
Its a very odd bird and was well picked out by James (and certainly worthy of the shout) but I feel it may be yet another (Blue-winged Teal x Shoveler) hybrid at best.
Cinnamon Teal has also been muted but I don't think its one of those either, although I personally have only very little field experience of that species anyway.
Ian McKerchar said
Mon Oct 6 7:48 PM, 2014
Steve Scrimgeour wrote:
Lakeside Hide? Please when posting can we have correct location......currently Birdnet have it at Lakeside Hide.
Correct location?
Broad Ees Dole. Only one hide there, which is called Lakeside Hide and it's pretty much the only place to see over the site anyway. I have no idea what information the info services have been given but you can rest assured that if I put it out in here, it's right
John Rayner said
Mon Oct 6 7:14 PM, 2014
Steve Scrimgeour wrote:
Lakeside Hide? Please when posting can we have correct location......currently Birdnet have it at Lakeside Hide.
So does RBA ... but I would have thought that Ian's mention of Broad Ees Dole is correct. Perhaps James will read this thread and comment.
Cheers John
Steve Scrimgeour said
Mon Oct 6 7:04 PM, 2014
Lakeside Hide? Please when posting can we have correct location......currently Birdnet have it at Lakeside Hide.
Ian McKerchar said
Mon Oct 6 6:40 PM, 2014
sid ashton wrote:
Anyone know anything about the probable Blue-winged Teal reported on the news services as being present at 17.30?
Yes, it's on Broad Ees Dole with a Garganey and is currently a probable. Still present this evening.
Info thanks to James Walsh
sid ashton said
Mon Oct 6 6:11 PM, 2014
Anyone know anything about the probable Blue-winged Teal reported on the news services as being present at 17.30?
Ian McKerchar said
Tue Sep 23 9:38 AM, 2014
Yesterday, a Common Sandpiper was present near Deckers and a Kingfisher was also present.
Info thanks to Tony O'Mahony
Ian McKerchar said
Tue Sep 9 10:59 PM, 2014
Wigeon and 2 Shoveler on Broad Ees Dole this morning.
Info thanks to Tony O'Mahony
Karen Foulkes said
Sun Aug 31 4:35 PM, 2014
Spotted Flycatcher at old car park this afternoon.
Info thanks to Phil Kelly.
Rob Creek said
Fri Aug 15 6:39 PM, 2014
Today 2.30pm - 3.15pm from the main car park at the side of Deckers.
21 Black-headed Gulls on buoys/sailing markers with more constantly flying round over the lake. 1 Great Black-backed Gull patrolling around (juv but not sure what age, it was huge). 4 adult Mute Swan with a group of well grown Cygnets following. 4 Swallows 3 Cormorant actively fishing 2 Great Crested Grebe 2 Coot 2 Carrion Crow alongside 2 Magpies 1 Pied Wagtail
...also a constant stream of Woodpigeon over, singles, 2s, 3s, and other groups ranging up to approx 15 birds. Must've been totalling around 50-75 birds over.
Usual Mallards and Canada Geese
Forgot the single Swift high above the pylons flying North towards Broad Ees.
-- Edited by Rob Creek on Friday 15th of August 2014 08:16:35 PM
Ian McKerchar said
Thu Aug 14 10:20 PM, 2014
A pair of very vocal Kingfisher were present at Broad Ees Dole yesterday evening.
Info thanks to Phil Kelly
Ian McKerchar said
Fri Aug 8 3:58 PM, 2014
Thursday 7th August, 8 to 9pm at Broad Ees Dole:
1 Kingfisher 1 Common Sandpiper 1 Ringed Plover 2 Teal 2 Swallow 2 House Martin 2 Grey Heron 5 Little Grebe
Info thanks to Phil Kelly
Rob Creek said
Fri Aug 8 3:40 PM, 2014
3.20pm just on finishing break... Young Grey Wagtail and young Pied Wagtail both very active around the ramp into the lake near Deckers. Then the real highlight, a Kingfisher darted out from the small tree near the ramp right across to the far side. Another 2 Swallows together. (the single bird still present)
Rob Creek said
Fri Aug 8 3:07 PM, 2014
Approx 2.45 pm On the far side of the lake where the buoys are, nearly a Gull per buoy. 22 Black-headed Gulls (mostly juvenile) 2 Great Black-backed Gulls and a young Carrion Crow on the Water Ski Club roof... ...all braving the fairly heavy rain
Oh yeah and a Swallow (appears to be the only one) keeps flying low over the water near the ski club
-- Edited by Rob Creek on Friday 8th of August 2014 03:15:11 PM
Didn't see the Snipe, but there was a Shoveler disappearing into the reeds on the adjacent pond.
Interesting about the Cetti's; I'll keep an ear out if I get down there during the week...
Birds seen:
Kingfisher 2 or maybe 3, but at least 2
Snipe 2
Little Grebe 5
Jay 2-3, maybe more
Grey Wagtail
Sparrowhawk, a juvenile I think
Buzzard 2
Goldcrest
I thought I saw some Redwings in the mist over the trees, but they wheeled away so couldn't be sure
The most interesting thing though was a call heard at the other bit of open water. Having heard and then seen a Cetti's Warbler yesterday, I heard the same call today 2-3 times in a minute or so at around 1230-1pm from the back and left of the smaller pond. This from Xeno Canto is a fair match to it:
http://www.xeno-canto.org/174339
Happy if people put it down to over-enthusiasm, but I would say that the birds do occur in GM now, as proven with Pennington and Wigan Flashes, and the habitat at the reserve is bob on, so it is certainly possible for a Cetti's to be there. I guess just listen out if you're down there. It is quite a coincidence, I'm not sure I'd have connected the two sounds so closely if there had been a few days in between.
-- Edited by Simon Gough on Sunday 12th of October 2014 05:55:00 PM
Virtually everyone's observations of these 2 Ducks seem to indicate the same, and throw in the possible similarities with the White facial spot, does anyone think Garganey could be part of the hybrid mix??? Or could the bond association with these 2 purely coincidental, and could the White spot occur in other hybrid mixes and not necessarily just because 1 of the original species has a White spot anyway?
I may have this totally wrong, it was just a thought!
Cheers
Rob
24 Teal initially roosting on the island but most moved out of sight. The Garganey and Anas sp. eventually flew in from right to left at about 16.00 and began actively feeding at the back of the pool. But they soon flew again and appeared to land, out of sight, on the far right of the pool. These two do seem to be somewhat bonded, moving and feeding closely together.
Also:
4 Little Grebes
3 Grey Herons
1 Kingfisher (perched)
2 Grey Wagtails
2 Snipe
Cheers John
The Garganey and (?) duck were feeding together behind the far islands, keeping distant from the 17 strong resting Teal flock. A fox moved around the far bank flushing the two birds which sought sanctuary amongst the Teal. Also present 2 Little Grebe.
On arrival at Sale Water Park, as I came off the motorway junction a Peregrine flew with prey item onto the adjacent pylon. I stopped and watched it pluck what I'm sure was a Jay (Jays must be a good target species for these birds during the autumn dispersal and food foraging). The Peregrine was still present on the pylon when I left.
Interesting to find out!
Having spent a large part of the week in the Lakeside Hide with several birders, taking notes, photographing and filming the bird at different times of the day in different light and doing a fair amount of research and receiving some comments, there still doesn't seem to be a consensus on the identification
Nice to meet Judith Pidgeon at the hide.
A little bit of patience paid off and the Teal-Shoveler sp suddenly appeared from behind the far island. Constantly feeding and preening, it was hard work trying to get a good shot (at distance) but eventually got a few to examine. BEING THE DUCK EXPERT THAT I AM!!!
Joking apart, from the shots I have...
The bill certainly is Shoveler like but maybe not as large, the rear end also resembles Shoveler somewhat. The bird is a little bulkier than normal around the neck, giving it a slightly robust appearance. The White spot area certainly stands out between the bill and the eye, which for me could've maybe indicated Garganey in there somewhere! Interesting darkish stripe above the eye and that is possibly indicative of Teal but I wouldn't like to be the one making the call, are you any closer to an ID confirmation Ian?
Other birds:
1 Garganey feeding constantly
4 Little Grebe (1 latching on to the Garganey for company)
5 Common Teal
Thanks for the clarification. I saw the video Pete did of the Garganey as well as the 'Anas', the white on the wings of the Garganey was the thing that didn't match with the bird I was focussing on, which in hindsight was presumably the Teal sp. The smaller bird feeding had noticeable white bars on its wings (speculum?). This element of the plumage isn't really prominent in my field guide. Trouble was I had to leave to go to work, or I'd have waited for them to show nearer the hide
I am heading back to Sale later on then by the look of it...I quite like a bit of a lesson like this though, if all the birds were easy to pick out it wouldn't be so much fun.
-- Edited by Simon Gough on Friday 10th of October 2014 12:47:45 PM
The Garganey is an eclipse drake but the identification of the Teal sp is still unconfirmed
There is some film of the bird online courtesy of Pete Hines, just google "An Interesting Anas"
-- Edited by James Walsh on Friday 10th of October 2014 11:41:23 AM
2 Snipe, both static close in to the left of the hide, showing superbly
4 Little Grebe, 2 ad 2 juv
5 Goosander, females or juvs
2 Mandarin, males 1 coming out of Eclipse and one looking lovely and orange
3 Teal, 1 nice male
20+ Mallard
20+ Canada Geese
and 1 pair of different looking smaller ducks both feeding as if their lives depended on it. I concluded these were the Garganey and Teal sp. Annoyingly it wasn't possible with the light at that point to to categorically ID a Garganey
The Geese started moving to the big lake and this flushed everything else eventually leaving only a couple of Mallard a Teal and the 2 odd ducks, but at the back of the water where I really struggled again to see them well enough. Whilst watching them I also saw another Snipe and 2 Kingfisher
Also a Little Grebe juv and a really close Snipe from the path on the other bit of water beyond the pylon
So for me these 2 ducks feeding like released convicts had to be the 2. But I am a bit confused reading back posts. Which of these 2 is bigger? The bird I had possibly as the Garganey was the bigger of the 2. But the posts read like the Teal sp is the larger. Could someone help me out?
Cormorant 10+
Grey Heron 2
Shoveler 7
Teal 21
Buzzard 1
Kestrel 1m
Mute Swan 2ad+5juv
Common Gull 1
Moorhen 4
Jay 1
GtSpotted Woodpecker 1
Meadow Pipit 1
Goldcrest 1
Willow Tit 1
GtCrested Grebe 3
etc.
As I thought. You seriously wouldn't want your 200th bird to be any sort of wildfowl really...
It was excellent too. You must've been gutted when the scrotes burned it down. I remember feeling sad and angry when I saw the remains shortly after
Take J6 of the M60 sign-posted Trafford Water Sports Centre, onto Rifle Road, take first left onto Cow Lane, park @ the Visitor Centre/cafe car park, walk 500 yards along the north shore of the main lake to the Lakeside Hide to view the Broad Ees Dole nature reserve
For information:
Cinnamon Teal is on Category E* of the Official British List
A drake on the Western Isles during Spring 2004 was well-twitched and is on the UK400 Club List as thought to be a genuine vagrant
Wildfowl (1989) states "Popular in captivity, occasional birds recorded in western Europe almost certainly escapes, although trans-atlantic vagrancy is not unlikely"
I recall a bird at Elton Reservoir in October 1991, but that was an adult drake so much easier to identify
Thanks,
James
Tim, you ask of the status of Cinnamon Teal.
In Europe it would be regarded as an escaped exotic (i.e. of captive origin), and is a scarce/rare visitor even to the Atlantic coasts of N. America. I don't know if it might ever have made it under its own steam to the Azores, (though others may have more detailed info on that).
As a close congener of Blue-winged Teal, unsurprisingly, hybrids of these do sometimes occur where their ranges overlap.
Seen in the neotropics in a genuine wild situation, the drake is a stunningly beautiful bird.
For those who don't know the area, 'Broad Ees Dole' would be a better option.
-- Edited by Tony Darby on Wednesday 8th of October 2014 11:40:25 PM
Teal sp & garganey still present on the far side of broad ees dole between 5-6pm
6 gadwall
6 shoveler
17 teal
3 little grebe
2 goosander
1 grey heron
1 kingfisher
1 snipe
1 great spotted woodpecker
-- Edited by steven burke on Wednesday 8th of October 2014 09:57:04 PM
I was wondering what this 'Lakeside Hide' was. Having been to the Broad Ees Dole hide for years I've never noticed it had a name. What is the status of US species Cinnamon Teal? Trash bird or genuine?
The Teal sp & Garganey still present on Broad Ees Dole viewable from the Lakeside Hide, also c25 Teal, 4 Gadwall, 5 Little Grebe
7th October
Teal sp, Garganey, 7 Goosander, 1 Snipe, 1 Kingfisher on Broad Ees Dole from Lakeside Hide, also 3 Shoveler on the open area of water 200 yards north
Interesting day, at around 5pm, 2 ducks feeding in front of the Lakeside Hide, one a Garganey, one with a Blue-winged Teal-type face pattern, very striking pale loral spot, both birds were still feeding together @ 6:50pm
Agree with Ian that it's not a pure Blue-winged Teal, as it's too big
It might be that this bird is within range for female/immature Cinnamon Teal
If you are on facebook the photos are on North West Birding and Greater Manchester Birding Community
3 Goosander, 2 Tufted Duck, c10 Teal, 1 Snipe, 1 Kingfisher & 4 Little Grebe
Fri 3rd Oct early pm:
-92 Black-headed Gulls on the sailing club jetty and the buoys.
More flying around both near Deckers and further round near main car park
-4 Lesser Black-backed Gulls on buoys
-over 60 Canada Goose
-4 Cormorant
-1 Grey Wagtail
-1 Pied Wagtail
2 Adult Mute Swan with the now almost fully grown Cygnets practicing their wing exercises and you could feel the power as I was stood right next to them.
Amazing how gentle both Mute Swan and Canada Goose at Sale WP can be when being fed!
Its a very odd bird and was well picked out by James (and certainly worthy of the shout) but I feel it may be yet another (Blue-winged Teal x Shoveler) hybrid at best.
Cinnamon Teal has also been muted but I don't think its one of those either, although I personally have only very little field experience of that species anyway.
Correct location?
Broad Ees Dole. Only one hide there, which is called Lakeside Hide and it's pretty much the only place to see over the site anyway. I have no idea what information the info services have been given but you can rest assured that if I put it out in here, it's right
So does RBA ... but I would have thought that Ian's mention of Broad Ees Dole is correct. Perhaps James will read this thread and comment.
Cheers John
Yes, it's on Broad Ees Dole with a Garganey and is currently a probable. Still present this evening.
Info thanks to James Walsh
Info thanks to Tony O'Mahony
Info thanks to Tony O'Mahony
Info thanks to Phil Kelly.
21 Black-headed Gulls on buoys/sailing markers with more constantly flying round over the lake.
1 Great Black-backed Gull patrolling around (juv but not sure what age, it was huge).
4 adult Mute Swan with a group of well grown Cygnets following.
4 Swallows
3 Cormorant actively fishing
2 Great Crested Grebe
2 Coot
2 Carrion Crow alongside 2 Magpies
1 Pied Wagtail
...also a constant stream of Woodpigeon over, singles, 2s, 3s, and other groups ranging up to approx 15 birds. Must've been totalling around 50-75 birds over.
Usual Mallards and Canada Geese
Forgot the single Swift high above the pylons flying North towards Broad Ees.
-- Edited by Rob Creek on Friday 15th of August 2014 08:16:35 PM
Info thanks to Phil Kelly
1 Kingfisher
1 Common Sandpiper
1 Ringed Plover
2 Teal
2 Swallow
2 House Martin
2 Grey Heron
5 Little Grebe
Info thanks to Phil Kelly
Young Grey Wagtail and young Pied Wagtail both very active around the ramp into the lake near Deckers.
Then the real highlight, a Kingfisher darted out from the small tree near the ramp right across to the far side.
Another 2 Swallows together. (the single bird still present)
On the far side of the lake where the buoys are, nearly a Gull per buoy.
22 Black-headed Gulls (mostly juvenile)
2 Great Black-backed Gulls
and a young Carrion Crow on the Water Ski Club roof...
...all braving the fairly heavy rain
Oh yeah and a Swallow (appears to be the only one) keeps flying low over the water near the ski club
-- Edited by Rob Creek on Friday 8th of August 2014 03:15:11 PM
c20 Reed Buntings, wow, that is a good number. Mostly immatures I assume. They must have had good breeding success on Chorlton Ees and nearby.
wildflower meadow... c20 reed buntings, c20 goldfinches, 6 linnets, 4 whitethroats, 2 goldcrests.
old car park... 1 great spotted woodpecker, 1 greenfinch, 1 bullfinch, wren feeding juvenile.
main lake... 2 adult & 5 juvenile mute swans.
wood north end of lake... 1 treecreeper, 1 great spotted woodpecker, 1 goldcrest, 1 chiffchaff.
broad ees dole... 1 kingfisher, 3 little grebes.
info thanks to phil Kelly.
1 common sandpiper
2 lapwings
1 kingfisher
5 little grebes
1 sparrowhawk
20 black headed gulls
info thanks to phil Kelly.
inflow channel... 2 mute swans + 3 juveniles, 1 chiffchaff.
main lake... c6 house martins, c50 sand martins, c20 swifts, 2 great crested grebes + 1 juvenile, 1 greenfinch, 2 chiffchaffs, 1 cormorant, 2 grey wagtails (adult feeding juvenile).
broad ees dole... 2 lapwings + 2 juveniles, 3 little grebes + 5 juveniles, 1 reed bunting, 1 teal, 1 tufted duck.
info thanks to phil Kelly.
cow lane.. 1 chiffchaff, 1 bullfinch, male.
inflow channel.. 1 grey heron, 1 blackcap, 2 moorhens.
wildflower meadow.. 2 reed buntings, 5 goldfinches, 1 chaffinch, 1 greenfinch, 1 blackbird.
broad ees dole.. 1 common tern, 1 kingfisher, 4 little grebes + 4 chicks, 8 grey herons, 2 lapwings.
info thanks to phil Kelly.
wildflower meadow... 10 swifts, 2 reed buntings, 1 blackcap, 1 greenfinch.
old car park... 1 bullfinch, 1 wren, 1 chiffchaff.
r. Mersey... 1 pied wagtail.
broad ees dole... 4 lapwings, 1 mute swan, 3 little grebes, 1 coot, 1 tufted duck, 9 black headed gulls.
main lake... 1 mute swan, 1 great crested grebe, 1 reed warbler.
info thanks to phil Kelly.