The 2 Mediterranean Gulls both roosted yesterday evening in the full roost.
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
Ian McKerchar said
Mon Mar 12 7:54 PM, 2012
First summer Knot from Horrocks Hide at 10:50.
2 Mediterranean Gulls and the juvenile Iceland Gull still present at 11:40.
Info thanks to Paul Brown
Ian McKerchar said
Mon Mar 12 7:52 PM, 2012
From the western end this morning:
Female Pintail 6 Goosander 4 Shelduck
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Ian McKerchar said
Mon Mar 12 3:20 PM, 2012
This morning:
Iceland Gull on the main flash, probably a juvenile. 1 Ruff 5 Redshank 17 Oystercatchers 1 Curlew
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Ian McKerchar said
Mon Mar 12 3:18 PM, 2012
Late news for the morning of the 11th:
Yellowhammer, a single bird close to Bunting Hide 1 Black-tailed Godwit 1 Green Sandpiper 16 Oystercatcher 21 Snipe 9 Goosander
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
JOHN TYMON said
Sun Mar 11 10:05 PM, 2012
pm mooch wi charlie owen goldeneye-48 (all in rammies when the boats came out) great crested grebe-39 (all in rammies also) oystercatcher-14 Redshank-6 goosander-8 pintail 1 female sparrowhawk-1 female plus the usuals
Jon Bowen said
Sun Mar 11 11:04 AM, 2012
This morning 7.30 - 9.20 single black-tailed godwit on spit to 8.00 5 goldeneye Little Grebe female pintail from Rammies 4 Redshank 18 snipe 2 Goosander 8 Great Crested Grebe 13 Oystercatcher plus usual wildfowl
-- Edited by Jon Bowen on Sunday 11th of March 2012 11:05:00 AM
JOHN TYMON said
Sun Mar 11 2:25 AM, 2012
Paul A Brown wrote:
15 oystercatcher, 8 redshank and the female pintail was coming to bread off the carpark this afternoon
The pintail is paired with a male Mallard Kingfisher was very active all afternoon.
Paul A Brown said
Sat Mar 10 11:48 PM, 2012
15 oystercatcher, 8 redshank and the female pintail was coming to bread off the carpark this afternoon
Adam Jones said
Sat Mar 10 8:30 PM, 2012
This morning 7.30-10.30
Horrocks: 12 Oystercatcher 2 Redshank 24 Snipe 1 Kestrel 3 Great Crested Grebe 12 Cormorants 1 Grey Heron lots of Black-headed gulls 6 Goldeneye Lots of Tufted ducks
Bunting Hide: A lot quiter (in terms of numbers) than usual, but still boasted: Bullfinches Reed Buntings Greenfinch Chaffinch Pheasant plus the usuals.
Ian McKerchar said
Sat Mar 10 3:20 AM, 2012
2 Grey Partridge were on Ramsdales Ruck this afternoon, rare birds at this site nowadays.
Info thanks to Peter Alker
2 adult Mediterranean Gulls roosted tonight.
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
John Doherty said
Fri Mar 9 6:47 PM, 2012
Some good sightings today - spent the bulk of it going round all hides.
Highlights:
Horrock's - 2 Redshanks at least, later joined by 6 Oystercatchers. Ramsdale - 2 Shelducks Teals - c15 from most hides. 4 Shovelers 1 Gadwall - Teal hide Great Crested Grebe numbers were steady across the site, with one displaying pair. Lots of Tufted Ducks were around, with at least 6 Goldeneyes thrown in (main flash) 1 Willow Tit at Pengy's - we missed the Kingfisher, it was around.... but... in failing light one flew across from East Bay Hide direction! Plus all the usual joys.
Bunting Hide - 2 Stock Doves; l1 Willow Tit; loads of Reed Buntings, mainly stonking males; Greenfinch numbers reasonable, including handsome summer males; someone had a Female Brambling which I didn't spot it would have been a lifer!; plus all the usuals - all in all a good day.
-- Edited by John Doherty on Friday 9th of March 2012 08:51:18 PM
Ian McKerchar said
Thu Mar 8 5:23 AM, 2012
This morning's sightings:
33 Snipe 2 Dunlin west 14 Oystercatcher 4 Redshank Single Green Sandpiper
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Chris Greene said
Thu Mar 8 1:17 AM, 2012
Quick visit about 1pm, 5 oystercatcher..Horrock's 5 redshank..Ramsdale's Kingfisher..Pengy's Male teal,amongst the bread munchers close in to main car park. 7 grey heron Tom Edmondson Hide
3 adult Mediterranean Gulls in the roost last night (4th).
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
JOHN TYMON said
Sun Mar 4 5:16 PM, 2012
am/pm-mooch wi charlie owen redshank-5 ringed plover-1 goldeneye-52(all in rammies) great crested grebe-33 shelduck-1 oystercatcher-12 goosander-8 plus the usuals :)
-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Sunday 4th of March 2012 06:48:19 PM
Ian McKerchar said
Sun Mar 4 12:25 AM, 2012
Yesterday, 2nd March:
Single Black-tailed Godwit on the spit at 15:46 at least.
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
steven burke said
Sat Mar 3 9:02 PM, 2012
9-5.00pm 56 species seen
kingfisher seen on three occasions,twice at horrocks once at pengys.
21 goldeneyes 1 buzzard 1 kestrel 2 sparrowhawks 1 grey wagtail 6 skylarks (ruck) 2 meadow pipits (ruck) 2 willow tits 1 goldcrest plus all the usual birds around
-- Edited by steven burke on Saturday 3rd of March 2012 09:03:36 PM
Keith Mills said
Wed Feb 29 11:37 PM, 2012
Visited again this afternoon to look at a few more hides etc. 2 until 3pm.
RAMSDALE'S HIDE: Green Sandpiper still present and correct. AROUND THE SPIT: Oystercatcher count up to ...11 LBB GULL 1 TOM EDMONDSON HIDE: Usual Shovelers, Mallards and Teal. Pair of Gadwall and a splended male Wigeon.
Karen Foulkes said
Wed Feb 29 10:56 PM, 2012
The Kittiwake was a nice pick up by Simon whilst I was desperately trying to make a Ruff appear out of thin air!
He initially spotted it being harassed by the Black Headed Gulls at the end of the spit and we watched the Gulls continue to bother it.
After a few minutes of this it decided enough was enough and flew off east.
For the record the bird was an adult.
Ian McKerchar said
Wed Feb 29 7:23 PM, 2012
No further sign of the Ruff by 10:15 but a Kittiwake was present briefly before flying off east at 10:20ish.
Info thanks to Karen Foulkes
Also present this morning:
1 Green Sandpiper from Ramsdales Hide 4 Shelduck 6 Goosander 1 Dunlin on the spit A further 21 Curlew through, including a single flock of 11.
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Ian McKerchar said
Wed Feb 29 3:32 PM, 2012
So far this morning:
1 Ruff on the spit 3 Curlew 24 Snipe 9 Oystercatcher
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Keith Mills said
Wed Feb 29 11:28 AM, 2012
Around 10 this am:
AROUND THE SPIT Shelduck...1 Oystercatcher...2 Dunlin ...1 Snipe....(those in sight)...13
Just missed the KITTIWAKE!..... seen by Karen and Simon,and had flown away East, I was told. Finally caught up with a Curlew ..calling, as it flew East in front of the car park.
-- Edited by keith mills on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 11:37:10 AM
Mike Baron said
Tue Feb 28 3:52 AM, 2012
Tim Wilcox wrote:
Mike Baron wrote:
3rd winter Iceland Gull present off the spit until around 5pm when a microlight flushed everything. Also an adult Med (different bird to the one I saw on Friday)
Hi Mike was obviously you I spoke to when I arrived. 3rd winter Iceland Gull was back at the end of the spit by 5.20. Couldn't find the Med Gull amongst maybe 1,000 BH Gulls but light was going by 5.30
It was nice to meet you Tim, however briefly and I'm glad the Iceland Gull came back down for you.
1 Black-tailed Godwit 2 Redshank 16 Snipe 7 Oystercatcher Female Pintail still present and then probably the same bird flew west over Plank Lane at 08:55.
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Karen Foulkes said
Mon Feb 27 7:13 PM, 2012
Sightings from this afternoon
1 Black Tailed Godwit 2 Common Redshank 7 Snipe visible (although there had apparently been 14 earlier) 11 Oystercatcher c250 Lapwing 2 Wigeon 2 Shelduck 5 Reed Bunting
-- Edited by Karen Foulkes on Monday 27th of February 2012 07:14:10 PM
Tim Wilcox said
Mon Feb 27 9:13 AM, 2012
Mike Baron wrote:
3rd winter Iceland Gull present off the spit until around 5pm when a microlight flushed everything. Also an adult Med (different bird to the one I saw on Friday)
Hi Mike was obviously you I spoke to when I arrived. 3rd winter Iceland Gull was back at the end of the spit by 5.20. Couldn't find the Med Gull amongst maybe 1,000 BH Gulls but light was going by 5.30
Ollie Wright said
Mon Feb 27 2:58 AM, 2012
Spit
5 Oystercatcher 12 Snipe 1 Stock Dove 1 Redshank 1 Shelduck 4 Goldeneye 2 first-winter Great Black-Backed Gulls
Left at 4pm, didn't see the Iceland Gull.
Tom Edmondson
1 Gadwall 1 white-headed grey goose, flew in with a Canada. Was much paler than the Canada - colouration of the body was like a Greylag, but with a white head.
Ramsdale
2 Shelduck
Bunting
Willow Tit Bullfinch (2m, 1f) Coal Tit
Pengy
4 Pochard
Teal
2 Goosander (both m) 2 Shoveler
Mike Baron said
Mon Feb 27 1:39 AM, 2012
3rd winter Iceland Gull present off the spit until around 5pm when a microlight flushed everything. Also an adult Med (different bird to the one I saw on Friday)
Paul A Brown said
Sun Feb 26 11:19 PM, 2012
Mooch around a very quite(bird wise) flash with J Tymon today, only things of any note were a Redshank, a Curlew through east, 6 Oystercatcher and 12 Snipe
Nick Isherwood said
Sun Feb 26 1:12 AM, 2012
3cy Iceland gull present at 5.00pm on the water to the left of the spit.
Iceland Gull: There are some good comparative photos of glaucoides and Kumlien's on pages 296 and 297 of the book ''Flight Identification of European Seabirds'' by Anders Blomdahl and others,and published by Helm. They are of course in flight shots and show most age moults but not the 4cy.
Ian McKerchar said
Sat Feb 25 3:28 AM, 2012
I've already discussed it briefly with Chris but off these current photos alone (and the fact that none of the observers of this bird has come forward yet with a field description of the open primaries) its reasonably inconclusive. Whilst some mottling to the outer primaries is possible in glaucoides of this age, kumlieni is a variable thing and I'd still like to see the bird myself or a half decent shot of the open wings to be sure. Certainly, off the current images kumlieni could certainly not be claimed but then again not fully discounted either.
No matter how hard you look at these photos (and I have also received some really rather good ones), they won't give you a definative answer. One can also scour the Internet for photos but they only represent a minuscule proportion of the variability in kumlieni, the same with any other species of bird.
Simple answer is to try and see this bird for yourself, which I certainly will be trying to do
Mike Passant said
Sat Feb 25 3:19 AM, 2012
We have a 3rd winter Iceland Gull frequenting Hartlepool fish quay exhibiting characters attributable to kumleini; present for about 2 weeks or so and well watched. Those with prior experience of the form are confident that it falls within the acceptable parameters. This has for long been one of the gaps in my gulling experience so I was pleased to have the chance to spend a half hour with it last week as it swam with an imm. Great BB Gull until it unfortunately flew by me and out into the bay.
It does show a "venetian blind" effect in the primaries, with the outer webs greyish relative to the whiter inners. It also shows some chevrons on the greater coverts, but I don't know if that is a remnant trace of immaturity or support character for kumleini (or indeed a bit of both!) What does appear to be established for kumleini is its variability, to the extent that not all suspects are identifiable with certainty, and it seems likely that there is a degree of gene flow in many birds with Thayers Gull/ Iceland hybrids in Canada sometimes muddying the water, thus making all kumleini suspects truly fascinating. What was sobering was that in flight as it passed within 30 feet of me, I could not see the contrast in the primaries at all, (partly due to the light being against me somewhat), though these were more obvious on photos.
While it is acknowledged that there are some really good "gullers" who are regular contributors to the gull i/d discussions down there (Ian et alia), some photos of this Pennington bird should prove educational, whatever it turns out to be. Cheers, Mike P.
Chris Gregson said
Sat Feb 25 3:04 AM, 2012
My thinking exactly Jason. It's a Glaucoides for my money.
I've seen a pic of a retarded moult 3rdW Kumlieni - with considerably more immature brown markings on the coverts - and even that bird had conspicuous primary markings, much larger, darker and well defined grey markings than this bird.
Has anyone with experience of Kumlieni (perhaps in the States) seen this bird and care to comment on variation at this age?
My experience with Iceland Gulls is limited to a handful of sightings, I'm afraid.
Blackcap in subsong on the rucks (certainly not a new arrival!) and 19 Lesser Redpolls also here.
2 full summer adult Mediterranean Gull on point
kingfisher showing well in front of pengys
redshank-8+
oystercatcher-10+
plus the usuals
Also 9 Redshank, 2 Ringed Plover and 7 Goosander.
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
6 Redshank
20 Snipe
1 Black-tailed Godwit
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
1 Curlew
24 Snipe
1 female Pintail still
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
6 Wigeon
2 Sand Martins
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
8 Redshank
12 Snipe
11 Oystercatcher
1 Shelduck
Plus the usuals.
2 Mediterranean Gulls
12 Snipe
1 Little Grebe
20 Redshank
20+ Oystercatcher
+ all the usuals
Mike Unsworth
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
2 Black-tailed Godwits
6 Redshank
14 Snipe
7 Goosander
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
2 Mediterranean Gulls and the juvenile Iceland Gull still present at 11:40.
Info thanks to Paul Brown
Female Pintail
6 Goosander
4 Shelduck
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Iceland Gull on the main flash, probably a juvenile.
1 Ruff
5 Redshank
17 Oystercatchers
1 Curlew
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Yellowhammer, a single bird close to Bunting Hide
1 Black-tailed Godwit
1 Green Sandpiper
16 Oystercatcher
21 Snipe
9 Goosander
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
goldeneye-48 (all in rammies when the boats came out)
great crested grebe-39 (all in rammies also)
oystercatcher-14
Redshank-6
goosander-8
pintail 1 female
sparrowhawk-1 female
plus the usuals
single black-tailed godwit on spit to 8.00
5 goldeneye
Little Grebe
female pintail from Rammies
4 Redshank
18 snipe
2 Goosander
8 Great Crested Grebe
13 Oystercatcher
plus usual wildfowl
-- Edited by Jon Bowen on Sunday 11th of March 2012 11:05:00 AM
The pintail is paired with a male Mallard
Kingfisher was very active all afternoon.
Horrocks:
12 Oystercatcher
2 Redshank
24 Snipe
1 Kestrel
3 Great Crested Grebe
12 Cormorants
1 Grey Heron
lots of Black-headed gulls
6 Goldeneye
Lots of Tufted ducks
Teal Hide:
1 Green Sandpiper
3 Goosander (1 male, 2 female)
6 Shoveler
12 Teal
Bunting Hide:
A lot quiter (in terms of numbers) than usual, but still boasted:
Bullfinches
Reed Buntings
Greenfinch
Chaffinch
Pheasant
plus the usuals.
Info thanks to Peter Alker
2 adult Mediterranean Gulls roosted tonight.
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
Highlights:
Horrock's - 2 Redshanks at least, later joined by 6 Oystercatchers.
Ramsdale - 2 Shelducks
Teals - c15 from most hides.
4 Shovelers
1 Gadwall - Teal hide
Great Crested Grebe numbers were steady across the site, with one displaying pair.
Lots of Tufted Ducks were around, with at least 6 Goldeneyes thrown in (main flash)
1 Willow Tit at Pengy's - we missed the Kingfisher, it was around.... but...
in failing light one flew across from East Bay Hide direction!
Plus all the usual joys.
Bunting Hide - 2 Stock Doves; l1 Willow Tit; loads of Reed Buntings, mainly stonking males; Greenfinch numbers reasonable, including handsome summer males; someone had a Female Brambling which I didn't spot it would have been a lifer!; plus all the usuals - all in all a good day.
-- Edited by John Doherty on Friday 9th of March 2012 08:51:18 PM
33 Snipe
2 Dunlin west
14 Oystercatcher
4 Redshank
Single Green Sandpiper
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
5 oystercatcher..Horrock's
5 redshank..Ramsdale's
Kingfisher..Pengy's
Male teal,amongst the bread munchers close in to main car park.
7 grey heron Tom Edmondson Hide
Cheers Chris
14 Oystercatcher
5 Redshank
1 female Pintail still!
4 Wigeon
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
27 Snipe
4 Redshank
9 Oystercatcher
60 Jackdaw
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
redshank-5
ringed plover-1
goldeneye-52(all in rammies)
great crested grebe-33
shelduck-1
oystercatcher-12
goosander-8
plus the usuals :)
-- Edited by Ian McKerchar on Sunday 4th of March 2012 06:48:19 PM
Single Black-tailed Godwit on the spit at 15:46 at least.
Info thanks to Phil Rhodes
kingfisher seen on three occasions,twice at horrocks once at pengys.
horrocks hide..
1 ringed plover
3 redshanks
23 snipe
14 oystercatchers
2 stock doves
teal hide..
5 goosanders 4m 1f
1 little grebe
1 pair gadwall
2 shelducks (ramsdales)
1 pair pochards (pengys)
21 goldeneyes
1 buzzard
1 kestrel
2 sparrowhawks
1 grey wagtail
6 skylarks (ruck)
2 meadow pipits (ruck)
2 willow tits
1 goldcrest
plus all the usual birds around
-- Edited by steven burke on Saturday 3rd of March 2012 09:03:36 PM
2 until 3pm.
RAMSDALE'S HIDE:
Green Sandpiper still present and correct.
AROUND THE SPIT:
Oystercatcher count up to ...11
LBB GULL 1
TOM EDMONDSON HIDE:
Usual Shovelers, Mallards and Teal.
Pair of Gadwall and a splended male Wigeon.
He initially spotted it being harassed by the Black Headed Gulls at the end of the spit and we watched the Gulls continue to bother it.
After a few minutes of this it decided enough was enough and flew off east.
For the record the bird was an adult.
Info thanks to Karen Foulkes
Also present this morning:
1 Green Sandpiper from Ramsdales Hide
4 Shelduck
6 Goosander
1 Dunlin on the spit
A further 21 Curlew through, including a single flock of 11.
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
1 Ruff on the spit
3 Curlew
24 Snipe
9 Oystercatcher
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
AROUND THE SPIT
Shelduck...1
Oystercatcher...2
Dunlin ...1
Snipe....(those in sight)...13
Just missed the KITTIWAKE!..... seen by Karen and Simon,and had flown away East, I was told.
Finally caught up with a Curlew ..calling, as it flew East in front of the car park.
-- Edited by keith mills on Wednesday 29th of February 2012 11:37:10 AM
It was nice to meet you Tim, however briefly and I'm glad the Iceland Gull came back down for you.
Rgds
Mike
7 Goosander
1 Redshank
6 Oystercatcher
12 Skylark and 7 Meadow Pipit on Ramsdales Ruck
1 Curlew
4 Shelduck
21 Snipe
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
1 Black-tailed Godwit
2 Redshank
16 Snipe
7 Oystercatcher
Female Pintail still present and then probably the same bird flew west over Plank Lane at 08:55.
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
1 Black Tailed Godwit
2 Common Redshank
7 Snipe visible (although there had apparently been 14 earlier)
11 Oystercatcher
c250 Lapwing
2 Wigeon
2 Shelduck
5 Reed Bunting
-- Edited by Karen Foulkes on Monday 27th of February 2012 07:14:10 PM
Hi Mike was obviously you I spoke to when I arrived. 3rd winter Iceland Gull was back at the end of the spit by 5.20. Couldn't find the Med Gull amongst maybe 1,000 BH Gulls but light was going by 5.30
5 Oystercatcher
12 Snipe
1 Stock Dove
1 Redshank
1 Shelduck
4 Goldeneye
2 first-winter Great Black-Backed Gulls
Left at 4pm, didn't see the Iceland Gull.
Tom Edmondson
1 Gadwall
1 white-headed grey goose, flew in with a Canada. Was much paler than the Canada - colouration of the body was like a Greylag, but with a white head.
Ramsdale
2 Shelduck
Bunting
Willow Tit
Bullfinch (2m, 1f)
Coal Tit
Pengy
4 Pochard
Teal
2 Goosander (both m)
2 Shoveler
Also, single Lesser Redpoll in Rammies reedbed.
Plus all the usuals.
6 Oystercatcher
1 Dunlin
6 Snipe
11 Redwing
Adult Mediterranean Gull
1 Green Sandpiper
1 female Pintail
Info thanks to Barry Hulme
There are some good comparative photos of glaucoides and Kumlien's
on pages 296 and 297 of the book ''Flight Identification of European Seabirds''
by Anders Blomdahl and others,and published by Helm.
They are of course in flight shots and show most age moults but not the 4cy.
No matter how hard you look at these photos (and I have also received some really rather good ones), they won't give you a definative answer. One can also scour the Internet for photos but they only represent a minuscule proportion of the variability in kumlieni, the same with any other species of bird.
Simple answer is to try and see this bird for yourself, which I certainly will be trying to do
We have a 3rd winter Iceland Gull frequenting Hartlepool fish quay exhibiting characters attributable to kumleini; present for about 2 weeks or so and well watched.
Those with prior experience of the form are confident that it falls within the acceptable parameters.
This has for long been one of the gaps in my gulling experience so I was pleased to have the chance to spend a half hour with it last week as it swam with an imm. Great BB Gull until it unfortunately flew by me and out into the bay.
It does show a "venetian blind" effect in the primaries, with the outer webs greyish relative to the whiter inners. It also shows some chevrons on the greater coverts, but I don't know if that is a remnant trace of immaturity or support character for kumleini (or indeed a bit of both!)
What does appear to be established for kumleini is its variability, to the extent that not all suspects are identifiable with certainty, and it seems likely that there is a degree of gene flow in many birds with Thayers Gull/ Iceland hybrids in Canada sometimes muddying the water, thus making all kumleini suspects truly fascinating.
What was sobering was that in flight as it passed within 30 feet of me, I could not see the contrast in the primaries at all, (partly due to the light being against me somewhat), though these were more obvious on photos.
While it is acknowledged that there are some really good "gullers" who are regular contributors to the gull i/d discussions down there (Ian et alia), some photos of this Pennington bird should prove educational, whatever it turns out to be.
Cheers,
Mike P.
I've seen a pic of a retarded moult 3rdW Kumlieni - with considerably more immature brown markings on the coverts - and even that bird had conspicuous primary markings, much larger, darker and well defined grey markings than this bird.
Has anyone with experience of Kumlieni (perhaps in the States) seen this bird and care to comment on variation at this age?
My experience with Iceland Gulls is limited to a handful of sightings, I'm afraid.